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About that oil "spill"....the one in the gulf-

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Post Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:07 pm

Re: About that oil "spill"....the one in the gulf-

I got access to these vids through an opednews story...in related vids to this one...

Serve THIS to BP's CEO: Blood Beach Blue Crab Covered in Oil and Parasites

http://www.opednews.com/Quicklink/Serve-THIS-to-BP-s-CEO-Bl-in-General_News-100907-823.html

and copied them here from youtube..

Health Warning: The Government Cover-up
killthespill


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw0R_DLk730

worst amounts of ppm of oil and petroleum that their "samples" could be tested,(except for the one that exploded in the lab) were on the beaches-
one where kids were playing..221 ppm..these "samples", as they weren't taken by "scientists" using all the accepted scientific controls, probably "don't count" as valid ...

Gov't was saying 75% of oil was gone, and no longer a concern to the environment...researchers refute that...

4.1 million barrels is NOAA guy's "estimate"

A huge plume that isn't going away...




Private chemical analysis study disputes FDA claims that Gulf seafood is safe to eat


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9S9KAKx-ZQ

"if it wasn't safe we'd know about it.. the FDA would tell us.."

Back to opednews coverage.. this story...

Government testing of Gulf seafood flawed, groups say
By Kari Huus, msnbc.com senior reporter

http://www.opednews.com/Quicklink/NBC-Government-Testing-of-in-Life_Arts_Science-100818-599.html


quoted from it...
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the Food and Drug Administration already are moving to increase testing. NOAA and the FDA are developing a test to detect dispersants in seafood as part of an effort to assuage ongoing health concerns about the chemicals used to break up the oil as it gushed into the ocean.

The federal agencies have also been bringing in more non-government researchers to analyze the data to address concerns that the testing has not been transparent enough.

“We're taking extraordinary steps to assure a high level of confidence in the seafood," NOAA chief Jane Lubchenco, told reporters on Monday.

But the letter to the agency said portions of the safety testing are based on assumptions of average body weights that may fail to protect people who fall outside the parameters.

“They assumed that the average weight of a seafood consumer is 175 pounds,” said Solomon, a physician and scientist who studies toxic contamination for the NRDC. “That’s OK if you’re a guy, but not for most women or a kid. Those are populations we are the most concerned about.”


Here's another vid from youtube..

BP SAY THE GULF DISASTER IS OVER - LYING, MURDEROUS BASTARDS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5ThK6ItZFM

as long as there are toxins, (both from the petrochemicals etc. that were released from the "well", and those added thereafter), related to this disaster, and to how it was "dealt with", showing up throughout the environment..inside and outside of living things, in the water, air, and on the "land", or in the wetlands surrounding the GOMEX this is far from over!

As the microscopic dispersed oil droplets that are no longer visible continue to expand out into the eco system, since they are virtually invisible, their effects will most likely be difficult to attribute to this event...

:disgust: Fegnoffinskikopnofrah! Gecknoyistquinkifleesh!! :angry03:
http://gimundo.com/news/article/one-thousand-paper-cranes-for-peace-the-story-of-sadako-sasaki/

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Post Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:07 pm

Re: About that oil "spill"....the one in the gulf-

:eek:

and "old" story..from firedoglake..

Biden-Clinton Ally Makes BILLIONS On So-Called "CleanUp;" Oil Spill Looks Intentional — by NormanB ("Deviations from the Norm")

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/48622

By: normanb Monday May 17, 2010 9:27 am

Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer Bradley Bell announced his retirement hours ago from DuPont’s shadow company Nalco, maker of Corexit, which so-called "clean-up workers" are now intentionally spilling into the Gulf of Mexico. Corexit is much more toxic than Petroleum, and its use makes the Dispersant spill much more dangerous to Gulf-of-Mexico life and economy than the Oil spill itself. Bell apparently wants to take the money and run before the criminal acts involved are aired.

Nalco President & CEO J. Erik Frywald just came off a multi-city tour urging venture capitalists to invest in Nalco, because, he said, Oil spills are inevitable, and Nalco stands to make many billions of dollars when one happens, especially in the light Pres. Obama’s stated intent to dramatically increase un-inspected offshore Oil drilling.

Frywald and Nalco have donated to Hillary Clinton’s campaign, and to that of notorious Oil puppet Mary Landrieu, as well as many other dishonest Oily Representatives from Louisiana and elsewhere on the Gulf coast. Frywald is a 27-year veteran at DuPont.

Billions of dollars given to DuPont is exactly what Vice President Biden has worked for his entire career. When a politician accepts a bribe and carries out what the bribing corporation wants, that’s bad. But in a case like Joseph Biden’s, wherein every piece of legislation he has ever introduced profits DuPont, the richest entity in his state, sets Biden apart: He’s by far the most dishonest politician in the history of this country. Biden’s every speech, for nearly 40 years, has focused on maximizing profits for DuPont.

Joseph Biden’s loyalty to DuPont instead of his country has devastated climate and human rights worldwide. Here, today, this column begins its 5-part series titled "How Joe Biden’s Loyalty to DuPont instead of his Country Devastated Climate and Human Rights Worldwide."



:wtf1:

Don't see any sequels yet to this story, of the "5 part series"..
http://gimundo.com/news/article/one-thousand-paper-cranes-for-peace-the-story-of-sadako-sasaki/

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Post Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:58 am

Re: About that oil "spill"....the one in the gulf-

:excl: :excl: AAAAAAAAUUUUUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!! :excl: :excl:

:shocking: :shocking: :shock2: :eek: !!!!Red Alert!!!! :eek: :shock2: :shocking: :shocking:

link to wylee's thread,
[url]Gulf alert: Entire La. communities are vomiting blood
gulf-alert-entire-la-communities-are-vomiting-blood-t9202-p87464.html[/url]


Here's the link to the Examiner article that it is about...
Censored Gulf alert: Entire La. communities where vomiting blood
September 19th, 2010 2:50 pm ET
http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/censored-gulf-alert-entire-la-communities-where-vomiting-blood


and the related articles that are linked within it...

See: Censored Gulf dispersant news: Act of war (Pt II) The art of chemical warfare. Examiner
http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/censored-gulf-dispersant-news-act-of-war-pt-ii-the-art-of-chemical-warfare

See; Dupre, Censored Gulf news: People bleeding internally, millions poisoned says 'EPA whistleblower'
http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/censored-gulf-news-people-bleeding-internally-millions-poisoned-says-epa-whistleblower


this from the first article linked...

The military and EPA have been working on chemicals for dispersants for decades. This can not be attributed to negligence.

On July 12, Dupre reported, "Chemical warfare on Americans in the Gulf Coast region and beyond has been planned and researched by the EPA, DoD and petro-chemical companies for decades according to government documents." (See: Censored Gulf dispersant news: Act of war (Pt II) The art of chemical warfare. Examiner)


"It is tragically naive to think that the Gulf region aerial pesticide spraying will stop before the mission is complete. The major agency holding the key to halt the genocide, the agency portrayed as the government body protecting the public and environment, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), has been collaborating with chemical companies and the Department of Defense (DoD) for decades rather than protecting the public from their kill-off agenda. This collaboration increased during the Bush administration, its fruits finally overtly witnessed in Obama' Gulf operation."

Earlier in the operation, EPA adviser and whistleblower, Hugh Kaufman stated that millions of people would experience internal bleeding because "that is what Corexit is supposed to do."


I thought it was "supposed" to clean up oil spills in the work place...that's what the Nalco Safety Data Sheets say for the product ...

BarefootDoctors have detox kits and info, she says in the article..
Here's link to their page..


GULF COAST BAREFOOT DOCTOR SURVIVAL DETOX KITS
http://www.gcbarefootdocs.org/prevention-detoxification/intro.htm


Here's the related vid from youtube...intel hub reporter..
Reporter: "Entire communities where they're vomiting blood" -- "Massive, massive disasters"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sVSRd1ufzU

this, under that vid, on the youtube page...

OilFlorida | September 18, 2010
Dahr Jamail Interview, Intel Hub Radio, September 17, 2010:
Friday - First Hour: Shepard welcomes award winning journalist Dahr Jamail to report on his findings in the Gulf of Mexico.

Full interview here:
http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/Intel_Hub_10.html

copied the shortlink...
http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Intel-Hub-32k-091710.mp3
http://gimundo.com/news/article/one-thousand-paper-cranes-for-peace-the-story-of-sadako-sasaki/

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Post Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:02 am

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again, that link to barefootdocs, and their detox page....

Providing detoxification information and survival detox kits to residents and workers in the Gulf Coast region

http://www.gcbarefootdocs.org/prevention-detoxification/intro.htm

GULF COAST BAREFOOT DOCTOR SURVIVAL DETOX KITS
The Protocols
Sodium Bicarbonate (baking soda)
adults: Drink 1/2 teaspoon sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) dissolved in water (preferrably filtered or distilled) or juice, 3-4 times a day
children: 1/4 teaspoon dissolved in juice once a day


Sodium Bicarbonate (baking soda) and Magnesium Sulfate (Epsom salts) Bath
Dissolve at least one pound each of sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) and magnesium sulfate (Epsom salts) in a tub of hot water. Soak. Adults can take 500mg of niacin 30 minutes beforehand. Sodium bicarbonate and Epsom salts can be increased to as much as four or five pounds each for maximum benefits.

Food-Grade Bentonite Clay
adults: Once a day, dissolve one teaspoon of bentonite clay in a large glass of water or juice. Let stand for five minutes before drinking.
children: Dissolve 1/4 teaspoon of bentonite clay in glass of water or juice. Let stand for five minutes before drinking.
Drink lots of water, preferably filtered or distilled, during the day. If constipation occurs, add one or more (up to five) sprays of magnesium oil (see below) to a glass of water or juice and drink.


Food-Grade Activated Charcoal
500 micrograms to 1 gram per day. Can be taken in capsules or added to bentonite clay drink.


Magnesium Oil
Transdermal treatment for adults and children: Spray oil on the skin. Use as a massage oil.
Direct one (for children) to five sprays in mouth, or add to water or juice, for laxative if necessary.
[According to Mark Sircus, Ac, OMD, almost everyone today has a magnesium deficiency, and a magnesium deficiency will not show up in a blood test. See his video on the subject.]


Nascent Iodine
Apply transdermally or orally. This is especially good for children.
[Because nascent iodine is expensive, it will only be included at this time in kits in which there are special needs, particularly for children and pregnant women.]


Antioxidant Teas and Foods
The following are high in antioxidants: rooibus and green teas; blueberries; apples; fresh or dried dates, apricots, cranberries, prunes; red beans; pinto beans
[Rooibus tea is included in the Gulf Coast Barefoot Doctors Survival Detox Kit, and, when possible, other foods listed above]


Antioxidant Teas and Foods
The following are high in antioxidants: rooibus and green teas; blueberries; apples; fresh or dried dates, apricots, cranberries, prunes; red beans; pinto beans
[Rooibus tea is included in the Gulf Coast Barefoot Doctors Survival Detox Kit, and, when possible, other foods listed above]



Other protocols not included at this time in the basic kits will be added, as well as additional information, incuding retail sources, on each of the above.
http://gimundo.com/news/article/one-thousand-paper-cranes-for-peace-the-story-of-sadako-sasaki/

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Post Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:35 am

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Sunday, September 19, 2010
Despite the continued lies I am now finding the Gulf is much worse than we thought



Nothing like the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico has ever happened before - at least not in human history - and it will take years for scientists to understand the damage it causes, University of Georgia marine scientist Samantha Joye said Tuesday."It's an imbalance in the system, and that's the danger. On cnn I watched her describe a 100% totally dead sea bottom. This is particularly disturbing to her as she fell in love with it 15 years ago and has studied it ever since.

So far 70 miles out from the spill on the sea bottom she found a total blanket of oil 2 inches deep and totally devoid of any kind of life, no shellfish no nothing. Remember they die and then the fish then it goes to human life and life of the planet. She found up to 79% of the oil still on the sea bottom where BP and the Government hid it.

Don't forget the methane gas, the corexit, and the enzymes eating the oil, all of it killing the oxygen and settling on the sea floor. Extremely troubling to me is the fact that we are told damage is minimal and to go ion with life and she points out that it takes 175 years for the water on the bottom to reach the top. Damn! I found numerous links but just look at this one if you will and watch her video For others I will reiterate the terrible damage done in other areas if they are interested!

UGA expert describes a spill like no other http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/060910/new_650789974.shtml

This keeps getting worse and worse! There is more than good reason for people that live in the Gulf area to be suffering of depression, worried about their future and ever fishing again, and contemplating starting over elsewhere. Unless they plan on drilling for oil they better start packing while they are still healthy and despite the lies that the shellfish, fish, and shrimp are fine do not touch it period!


my opinion.. worth reading on...
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com/2010/09/despite-continued-lies-i-am-now-finding.html

another clip..

Gulf oil plume extends 21 miles from source 21 miles long 650 feet deep and a mile and a half wide. That is independent of what Dr Joye found on the dead sea bottom. As BP reduces the size of the "vessels of opportunity" program, fishermen who work in more remote areas are expressing concern about oil they have recently spotted in places where boats have not been deployed and they are being told to keep quiet! The oil is not breaking down as they say.

All the way from the deep water horizon to 40 miles south of Panama City they they discovered what they described as a constellation of microscopic droplets of oil and dispersant killing phytoplankton the basic building block of the entire life of the sea. It was headed to Desoto canyon an area critical to all sea life for commercial and sport fishing.

The Government is still lying saying the sea and the fish will break it down and BP is still denying it. I am very troubled for everyone there in particular my sons and grandchildren. I better reiterate the residents very real concerns for those that missed it as we are getting closer to the whole picture and the awful truth:
Last edited by Delaine on Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:37 am, edited 1 time in total.
http://gimundo.com/news/article/one-thousand-paper-cranes-for-peace-the-story-of-sadako-sasaki/

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Gulf seafood poses long-term health risks, experts say

September 22 2010

Despite repeated assurances from federal officials and President Obama, independent scientists and public health experts have serious concerns about the long-term safety of Gulf seafood consumption.

In particular, experts tell Raw Story, contaminants from the massive oil spill and unprecedented use of the dispersants employed to dissolve the spill have the potential to cause cancer and neurological disorders.....
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/gulf-seafood-health-risks-experts/
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Post Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:59 pm

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Ahh those nasty PAHs rearing their ugly heads.. these were mentioned in some of the previous posts, as being one of the potential dangers from this "event"...

http://survivalacres.com/wordpress/?p=2060
October 1, 2010
Gulf Of Mexico Found To Contain Cancer Causing Carcinogens
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“University researchers said on Thursday they recently found alarming levels of cancer-causing toxins in an area of the Gulf of Mexico affected by BP’s oil spill, raising the specter of long-lasting health concerns.Oregon State University (OSU) researchers found sharply heightened levels of chemicals including carcinogens in the waters off the coast of Louisiana in August, the last sampling date, even after BP successfully capped its runaway Gulf well in mid-July.” U.S. oil spill waters contain carcinogens often linked to oil spills

Near Grand Isle, Louisiana, the team discovered that polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) — which include carcinogens and chemicals that pose various risks to human health — remained at levels 40 times higher than before the area was affected by the oil spill.

The compounds may enter the food chain through organisms like plankton or fish, a researcher said.

“In a natural environment a 40-fold increase is huge,” said Oregon State toxicologist Kim Anderson, who led the research. “We don’t usually see that at other contamination sites.”

The PAH chemicals, which are often linked to oil spills, are most concentrated in the area near the Louisiana Coast, but levels have also jumped 2 to 3 fold in other spill-affected areas off Alabama, Mississippi and Florida, Anderson said.
http://gimundo.com/news/article/one-thousand-paper-cranes-for-peace-the-story-of-sadako-sasaki/

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Snisha wrote:
Gulf seafood poses long-term health risks, experts say

September 22 2010

Despite repeated assurances from federal officials and President Obama, independent scientists and public health experts have serious concerns about the long-term safety of Gulf seafood consumption.

In particular, experts tell Raw Story, contaminants from the massive oil spill and unprecedented use of the dispersants employed to dissolve the spill have the potential to cause cancer and neurological disorders.....
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/gulf-seafood-health-risks-experts/



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Hey the FDA says it's safe to eat..!


here's the link to their "update" page for GoMex "oilspill"..all kinds of links to back up their position....


Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill Update
Information current as of Friday, September 24, 2010
http://www.fda.gov/food/ucm210970.htm

FDA's Role In Seafood Safety
FDA operates a mandatory safety program for all fish and fishery products under the provisions of the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act, the Public Health Service Act, and related regulations. The FDA program includes research, inspection, compliance, enforcement, outreach and the development of regulations and industry guidance. FDA works closely with NOAA and the states whenever commercial fishing waters are closed for public health reasons and again when they are reopened to harvest.



Multi-Government Agency Response to the Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is working with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) National Marine Fisheries Service, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), other Federal agencies, and several state authorities in the regions affected by the recent oil spill. FDA continues to closely monitor this developing situation and its potential impact on the safety of seafood harvested from the area.



Seafood Safety Notes

Here is some key information on the safety of seafood from the gulf.

Although crude oil has the potential to taint seafood with flavors and odors caused by exposure to hydrocarbon chemicals, the public should not be concerned about the safety of seafood in stores at this time.
Fish and shellfish harvested from areas reopened or unaffected by the closures are considered safe to eat.

Call 1-888-INFO-FDA with questions or concerns about seafood or to report any seafood you have purchased that you suspect of being contaminated with oil.




Assessing the Impact of the Oil Spill


Monitoring and Surveillance

Federal and state officials are monitoring the waters from which seafood is harvested and will act to close areas contaminated by the oil spill to fishing and shellfish harvesting. NOAA has the authority to close Federal waters to commercial fishing and states have the authority to close waters within their jurisdiction.

NOAA has already closed a large area of the Gulf of Mexico to commercial fishing and some state molluscan shellfish beds have been closed in anticipation of the oil nearing the shoreline. Closely monitoring and, if warranted, closing harvest waters which could be exposed to the oil spill should prevent unsafe seafood from reaching the market. If, despite these steps, adulterated seafood is found on the market, both the FDA and the states have the authority to seize such product and remove it from the food supply.

FDA has implemented a surveillance sampling program of seafood products at Gulf Coast area primary processing plants. FDA is currently targeting oysters, crabs and shrimp, which could retain contaminants longer than finfish. This sampling will provide verification that seafood being harvested is safe to eat.

Fish and shellfish harvested from areas unaffected by the closures are considered safe to eat.


Background on Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons (PAHs) and Testing Methods

New Alternative Method for PAH Detection in Seafood (PDF: 377KB)
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/ScienceResearch/UCM220209.pdf

Questions & Answers: New Testing Method for Chemical Analysis of Seafood Samples for Presence of Oil Residues

http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodSafety/Product-SpecificInformation/Seafood/ucm220810.htm

Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons Information from Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR)
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/phs69.html

Letters, Memos, & Fact Sheets

FDA Letter to Fish and Fishery Products Industry Regarding the Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill (PDF: 1.50MB)
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Food/FoodSafety/HazardAnalysisCriticalControlPointsHACCP/SeafoodHACCP/UCM216934.pdf

May 14, 2010 FDA Memo on Chemical Dispersants Used in the Gulf Oil Spill (PDF: 1.07MB)
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Food/FoodSafety/Product-SpecificInformation/Seafood/UCM221484.pdf

Seafood Safety and Dispersants Fact Sheet (PDF: 95KB)
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Food/FoodSafety/Product-SpecificInformation/Seafood/UCM221659.pdf


this from the last link above, the fact sheet "seafood safety"...
To date, every seafood samples from reopened waters has passed sensory testing for contamination with oil and dispersant.


notice the phrase "has passed sensory testing..." I think that means the sniff test..


The evaluation of scientific data to date indicate that the dispersants used in the Deepwater Horizon response are unlikely to build up in the flesh of the fish. This is primarily based on the assessment of their physical properties, which indicate that these compounds do not penetrate the gills or bodies of fish, and will not be concentrated in edible tissues of seafood.

To further ensure that fishermen and consumers can have confidence in seafood from open Gulf waters, FDA and NOAA have expanded the sensory testing procedures. Sensory experts are trained to detect a combination of oil and dispersant and to note anything that generally should not appear in fish flesh. Even though we don’t expect dispersants to be present where oil is not, the panelists’ training has now been expanded to include training to detect dispersant alone.

We do not expect sensory experts to find dispersant alone for several reasons:
1.
Dispersant was only used where there was oil present. Because of this, in sensory testing, the scent of oil would immediately be observed and would likely overpower the scent of dispersant. Sensory experts are trained to fail a sample with any oil scent.
2.
No dispersant has been applied to Gulf waters since July 19, and dispersant dilutes quickly.
3.
Of all the water samples tested, only two showed detectable levels of dispersant. The water samples that showed detectable levels were collected very near the wellhead where the dispersant was applied, which is not an area being considered for reopening.

according to the first link there above.. the "new alternative method one" for the PAHs they are using...

A liquid chromatography with fluorescence detection (LC-FLD) method has been developed to screen for fifteen targeted polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) at concentrations below the established levels of concern in oysters, shrimp, crabs and finfish.


FDA declares Gulf seafood safe to eat
Results based on human smell tests, but some critics want more information By GREG BLUESTEIN, JASON DEAREN
The Associated Press
updated 8/2/2010 7:33:53 PM ET

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38529484/ns/health-food_safety

VENICE, La. — Seafood from some parts of the oil-fouled Gulf of Mexico has been declared safe to eat by the government, based in part on human smell tests. But even some Gulf fishermen are questioning whether the fish and shrimp are OK to feed to their own families.

Some are turning up their noses at the smell tests — in which inspectors sniff seafood for chemical odors — and are demanding more thorough testing to reassure the buying public about the effects of the oil and the dispersants used to fight the slick.

"If I put fish in a barrel of water and poured oil and Dove detergent over that, and mixed it up, would you eat that fish?" asked Rusty Graybill, an oysterman and shrimp and crab fisherman from Louisiana's St. Bernard Parish. "I wouldn't feed it to you or my family. I'm afraid someone's going to get sick."


Hey.. is that a dangerous job.. sniffing fish for toxins that are not recommended to be inhaled..?

Is is safe to eat seafood caught along the Gulf of Mexico Coast?
By Shereen Jegtvig, About.com Guide
Updated July 26, 2010

In addition, according to the FDA, the dispersants (chemicals that cause the oil to disperse into the water rather than float on top of the water) used against the oil spill aren't a problem either, because they don't appear to accumulate in seafood. So the gulf coast seafood you find in your grocery stores and restaurants is safe to eat, and continued monitoring of coastal waters should prevent any contaminated seafood from reaching your table.



on the other hand...


Lab Results Raise New Concerns Over Gulf Seafood

http://www.aolnews.com/gulf-oil-spill/article/new-lab-results-raise-questions-about-gulf-seafoods-safety/19616043

(Aug. 31) -- A Boston lab hired by the United Commercial Fishermen's Association to analyze coastal fishing waters says findings suggest the government's claim that Gulf of Mexico seafood is safe to eat may be premature.


there's a link in that article to this site...
Louisiana Environmental Action Network - Powered by People - Fueled by Knowledge
http://www.leanweb.org/


two of the stories there...Press Release - Public Website Created for Examination of Environmental Sampling Data
Tuesday, 31 August 2010
LOUISIANA ENVIRONMENTAL ACTION NETWORK AND REPRESENTING ATTORNEY STUART SMITH CREATE WEBSITE FOR PUBLIC EXAMINATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL SAMPLING DATA IN AREAS IMPACTED BY BP CATASTROPHE

http://leanweb.org/news/latest/press-release-public-website-created-for-examination-of-environmental-sampling-data.html

"We are thrilled about this new resource," said Marylee Orr, Executive Director, LEAN. "This website allows anyone interested to see what chemicals were found, where they were found, and how much was found. We feel the public has the right to this information."

The website, http://bostonchemicaldata.com/LEAN/ provides oil spill data and mapping resources. You can compare where EPA, universities and independent labs have sampled. An individual must download Google Earth in order to view the site's various downloads and maps.

"This should be useful to environmental groups and the unified command," said Mr. Smith. "We've always believed there should be more transparency in this process."

Most recently, Mr. Smith's team has documented a large oil plume offshore of northwest Florida which is killing seafood. Samples have been sent to Canada for independent assessment.

"As state and federal officials continue to open Gulf waters to fishing, we have to again point to evidence that the 'all clear' is being sounded way too early," said Mr. Smith, who represents the United Commercial Fishermen's Association, the Louisiana Environmental Action Network, public entities in the Gulf Coast, as well as private property and business owners. "One of the cautionary notes is that our experts have documented that toxic chemicals remain in the water and food chain - and pose a significant health risk. Those studies have shown that PAHs (polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons) are present in shrimp from the impacted area. And the PAHs in off-shore Florida are at levels 43 times the levels of shrimp from inland, low-impact inland areas sampled in Louisiana. In our estimation, it may take eight months before the toxic soup has had substantial enough biodegradation to announce an 'all clear' on seafood."


Testing Results Returning With High Levels
Monday, 30 August 2010

Report by: Wilma Subra

Results of sampling performed by the Lower Mississippi River Keeper in the Lower Atchafalaya Bay area on August 2, 2010

http://leanweb.org/news/latest/testing-results-returning-with-high-levels.html


Benzene and Toluene were mentioned in what the Riverkeepers folks on the LEAN site were testing for...

so I added that to my search parameters, with PAHs.. didn't even include the dispersants...but apparently, according to this person's research, they are a factor that needs consideration...


http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2010/08/23/lsu-research-finds-dispersants-speed-bioaccumlation-bp-gulf-oil-spill-toxins-food-chain-3418/LSU Research Finds Dispersants Speed Up Bioaccumlation of BP Gulf Oil Spill Toxins In the Food Chain

Research being conducted by Kevin Kleinow, DVM, PhD, a LSU toxicologist has made some startling revelations that directly contradicts claims being made by the Federal Government about the safety of BP Gulf Oil Spill Seafood.

Kevin Kleinow specializes in environmental health issues, especially those related to fish.

Dr. Kleinow research shows that dispersants open up membranes and allow toxins released from the BP Gulf Oil Spill to penetrate fish much more rapidly than normal thus increasing the amount of chemicals in seafood affected by the spill.

At the same time the dispersants prevent the toxins from gaining high enough concentrations in internal cells that would normally remove such toxins from the bodies of the fish.

So to summarize dispersants allow toxins to enter fish faster and at the same time prevent the fish from removing the chemicals from the body.



There are a couple of vids and that article mentions benzene toluene, arsenic and mercury, as possible contaminants, quoting Washington's blog...
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2010/08/government-lies-to-american-people.html

awa PAHs, and says "mercury has no smell"...likewise arsenic...
this from that Washington's blog article...



As Bloomberg notes:



“Oil is a complex mixture containing substances like benzene, heavy metals, arsenic, and polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons -- all known to cause human health problems such as cancer, birth defects or miscarriages,” said Kenneth Olden, founding dean of New York’s CUNY School of Public Health at Hunter College, who is monitoring a panel on possible delayed effects.



Corexit breaks oil down into its constituent chemicals. So there could easily be toxic levels in the compounds that don't smell anything like oil.

For example, arsenic is odorless. So fish contaminated with arsenic will not smell or taste like oil.


And crude oil contains mercury. Mercury is odorless, so fish contaminated with mercury will not smell or taste like oil.

As McClatchy notes today:



The Gulf of Mexico oil spill still poses threats to human health and seafood safety, according to a study published Monday by the peer-reviewed Journal of the American Medical Association.

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In the short term, study co-author Gina Solomon voiced greatest concern for shrimp, oysters, crabs and other invertebrates she says are have difficulty clearing their systems of dangerous polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) similar to those found in cigarette smoke and soot. Solomon is an MD and public health expert in the department of medicine at the University of California at San Francisco.

In the longer term, she expressed worries about big fin fish such as tuna, swordfish and mackerel, saying levels of mercury from the oil might slowly increase over time by being consumed by fish lower in the food chain and becoming concentrating in the larger fish.

As time goes on, she said, doctors may be warning pregnant women and children to strictly limit the amount of such fish they eat. Some of the fish had relatively high levels of mercury even before the oil spill, she said.


Moreover, Corexit is itself toxic. Many of the ingredients of Corexit are either odorless and tasteless or have very different smells and tastes from oil. For example, Corexit contains propylene glycol, which is nearly odorless, with a faintly sweet taste. And some versions of Corexit contain 2-butoxyethanol which has a fruity rather than petroleum-like smell.


Finally, Corexit interacts with crude oil to form new compounds. No one has thoroughly studied the range of new compounds which might be formed by the interaction of Corexit with crude oil, let alone what they taste or smell like.


And see this.

In addition, NOAA Administrator Jane Lubchenco says that oil doesn't bioaccumulate in fish, and that fish naturally "degrade and process" the oil:





The LSU research etc.. article, on Alexander Higgins blog, also says that the oil is not biodegrading as we've been told, nor are the bacteria consuming it..


Why isn’t the oil degrading faster?

As National Geographic noted Thursday:

The oil plume’s stability is “a little unexpected,” study leader Richard Camilli, of WHOI’s Applied Ocean Physics and Engineering Department, said at a Thursday press briefing in Washington, D.C.

“We don’t have any clear indication as to why it set up at that depth.”

It’s unclear why the Gulf’s microbes aren’t eating the oil plume, but the organisms are infamous for being unpredictable, said study co-author Christopher Reddy, a marine chemist at WHOI.

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Further studies are needed to figure out why the plume isn’t degrading, Reddy said during the press briefing ….

Indeed, one of the world’s leading experts on oil-eating bacteria told me yesterday that the main oil-eaters aren’t even present in the underwater plumes he sampled.

In addition to the lack of oil eating microbes being found in deepwater plumes, possibly due to the use of dispersants, the oil is very resistant to biodegration .


so I'd be inclined to say "the jury's still out" on whether seafood in "the Gulf" is "safe" to eat...
or how long that will be the case...
http://gimundo.com/news/article/one-thousand-paper-cranes-for-peace-the-story-of-sadako-sasaki/

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I was wondering what all had happened with what some folks were projecting about the oil getting into the Gulf Stream and heading out to sea in the Atlantic..articles like this here..this was Higgins blog back in June..
ROFFS Oil Tracking Shows BP Gulf Oil Spill Traveling Up Entire East Coast Of Florida
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2010/06/26/roffs-oil-tracking-shows-bp-gulf-oil-entire-east-coast-florida/


and ones where folks were projecting that the oil in the gulfstream would change the temps and create an ice age...
this article speaks to how things are developing, potentially along those lines, from a more recent perspective..

Current Dying
- Gulf of Mexico Loop Current Already Dead
Extreme Heat/Drought In Russia, Flooding In Asia,
Killing Cold in South America All Connected To BP Oil Disaster

By The Earl of Stirling
9-2-10
http://www.rense.com/MexicoAlreadyDead.html


This is a study, trying to figger how much oil went where..GEORGIA SEA GRANT OIL SPILL UPDATE
Outcome/Guidance from Georgia Sea Grant
Program: Current Status of BP Oil Spill
By Chuck Hopkinson, Director, Georgia Sea Grant
August 17, 2010
http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/v3/images/documents/GeorgiaSeaGrant_OilSpillReport8-16.pdf
WHAT IS THE VULNERABILITY OF THE EAST COAST WATER?
The good news is that our vulnerability decreases day-by-day. Now that the BP leak has been capped, oil is no longer being added to the Gulf of Mexico, and the weathering of all forms of oil continues. As long as Eddy Franklin continues to block the Loop Current from sweeping oilcontaminated water from the spill region into the Gulf Stream, little oil should be transported to the East coast. With time, the oil will continue to weather and decrease in concentration and toxicity. However, without knowledge of the dispersion and mixing rates in the surface and bottom waters surrounding the spill region, the evaporation rates at the surface and the oil decomposition and weathering rates, it is impossible to estimate how long it will take for oil to disappear from the Gulf.




Heres some more on "Eddy Franklin"


Why didn't oil spill hit East Coast?
By Doyle Rice, USA TODAY
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2010-09-28-loopcurrent28_ST_N.htm?csp=34news

"What actually happened over the course of the summer was a very unusual situation," Peacock noted. "Usually the Loop Current detaches an eddy roughly every six to 17 months, and this eddy then propagates west into the interior Gulf, while the Loop Current re-establishes itself.

"The eddy that began its detachment process in mid-May has still not fully detached and has yet to travel west across the Gulf, and so the barrier to transport out of the Gulf still remains."


wondering if this is something the planet did on ourpose.. or is it caused by the oil..?
http://gimundo.com/news/article/one-thousand-paper-cranes-for-peace-the-story-of-sadako-sasaki/

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Vindication for BP as tests blame U.S. firm for oil rig fault

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z13jQ5SrAv

"Three tests showed the cement was flawed, but Halliburton went ahead with the job anyway, the presidential commission investigating the disaster revealed. It is the first official finding of responsibility."

As per my post quoted below, the truth is all about to come out and that sack of shit Obama will have to vilify somebody else... O-yeah the American company that did the work Haliburton....

I hope BP tells America (government) to go fuck itself now..... or maybe ask for an apology .... cough splutter yeah right like thats ever going to happen.




greenfruit wrote:Usually oil well cementing company that specialises in cementing comes in and seals the cracks etc around the well head. Thus preventing seepage etc from causing a problem later e.g an explosion is one possible problem.

This is where our friends Halibutrton come onto the scene. They had just finished cementing the area about 20 hours earlier.
In a statement Friday, Halliburton confirmed that it was the "cementer" hired for the job and said it had completed its job about 20 hours prior to the explosion.


My bet is that they fucked up on the type of cement, maybe using cheaper type to maximise profit on the job. :shock2:

Remember the problem last year in Australia in the Timor Sea, guess who was the main suspect..... :mug:

If "cementing" is the cause, it could spell new troubles for Halliburton, whose work was also suspected in a well explosion that took place last August in the Timor Sea near Australia. It took 71 days to fully cap and contain that spill, according to Australia's Sunday Times. The official investigation is still ongoing, but cementing was the main area of investigation, the head of the inquiry has said
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greenfruit wrote:Vindication for BP as tests blame U.S. firm for oil rig fault

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z13jQ5SrAv

"Three tests showed the cement was flawed, but Halliburton went ahead with the job anyway, the presidential commission investigating the disaster revealed. It is the first official finding of responsibility.


Thanks for the update greenfruit! My mum brout this up at the dinner table last night...

I looked at the article, and some of the comments..141(!) altogether, I didn't read them all...many good observations and clarifications..pulled out a few here...


Boy this sure is a biased report.


The truth is that both Halliburton AND BP knew weeks in advance that the the cement was unstable.

BP did NOT pass this information on to TransOcean before they started to fill the well. And guess what, that's not vindication, that's criminal neglegence.

Haliburton provided BP the full test results on March 8, 2010. BP knew the cement was unstable.

Both Haliburton and BP decided to modify the cement mixture slightly, and then go foward with closing the well WITHOUT receiving any test results of any kind showing if the new mixture would be stable.

TransOcean was not involved in the process at all. They are completely blameless.


The New York Times website has the pdf file of the actual report documents. It clearly places blame on BOTH Haliburton and BP.



BP and Haliburton agreed to add a last minute addition to the cement mixture. This was at BPs request. BP conducted tests on this mixture and their own people said it was flawed but they and Haliburton went on anyway. Haliburton also suggested BP use more centralizers to make sure the pipe is centred and has bonded properly and BP ignored that. BP also did not run tests to make sure the cement was secure and was pumped down far enough to reach the bottom of the three mile deep well.

BP is just as much to blame for this disaster as anyone. More probably because the company farmed out to sub contractors and didn't check the results. It's not like they're the only oil company low-balling and endangering us all. Stop making BP sound like it's has clean hands because that company clearly doesn't.



(and even if the cement had been "okay", there was that thing about not having the heavy mud in the well like they were "supposed to"..)

Incidentally, if people are interested to know more about the various causes of this disaster, the BP investigation report is available on BP's website.

While Halliburton's cement/service may have been fdeficient, you can not actually blame Halliburton for the complete disaster. There were 6 or 7 other failures at stages of the operation/incident that should have stopped things progressing. Halliburton's cement might have failed, but that should only have led to a "bad well". The failure of the cement did not cause the explosion.

Nobody wants to be seen to be blaming the deceased, but as soon as problems were seen during the displacement to sea-water the situation was manageable . The operation should have been stopped.
But having continued, the kick should have been controllable;
The blow-out was diverted and the gas should not have been in an area with sources of ignition.
Gas detectors should have shut down things before the explosion.

11 men should NOT have died.



On April 9th 2010, Haliburton buys 'Boots 'n' Coots', a leading company in oil spillage clean-up. On April 20th 2010, Haliburton causes the biggest oil disaster in history. Now, I'm not saying the two events are connected................!



As our research earlier in this thread was showing, this quoted comment reminds us... Halibuton was definitely a party in this collaborative effort...I agree with the folks that say that BP is still culpable..as is Transocean.. but looking for any one of these companies to blame, or make solely responsible is folly IMO. We also have the government agencies that allowed for these companies to "police" thenselves... Perhaps we could "blame the system"... that allows for, and even seems to encourage, that "greed" to be the dictator of peoples actions and choices, that places the "quarterly profit" at the height of motivation...

Vindicated? I don't think so..

vindication
n.
1.The act of vindicating or condition of being vindicated.
2.The defense, such as evidence or argument, that serves to justify a claim or deed.
http://www.answers.com/topic/vindication


tr.v., -cat·ed, -cat·ing, -cates.
1.To clear of accusation, blame, suspicion, or doubt with supporting arguments or proof: "Our society permits people to sue for libel so that they may vindicate their reputations" (Irving R. Kaufman).
2.To provide justification or support for: vindicate one's claim.
3.To justify or prove the worth of, especially in light of later developments.
4.To defend, maintain, or insist on the recognition of (one's rights, for example).
5.To exact revenge for; avenge.
[Latin vindicāre, vindicāt-, from vindex, vindic-, surety, avenger.]
http://www.answers.com/topic/vindicate

definition two of the first...no way this deed can be justified in my book!
nor is BP cleared of accusation, blame, suspicion or doubt, with regards to their involvement...

Who is really "to blame"..? It's been proposed that this disaster was a "planned event"... here's a page addressing that...just one of a few options from a search that asked if it was a planned event...

watched the video.. go Banksters...
Gulf Oil Spill Planned Catastrophe

http://awakenvideo.org/2010/06/gulf-oil-spill-planned-catastrophe/

We reject allegiance to the flag

of the United Nations of the New World Order..

and to the agenda for which it stands!

All Nations under Greed

run by Bankers and Corporate conglomerates

with slavery to the "revenue stream" for all....
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link to wylee's thread on contamination of seafood...! what an ugly picture..!!! :sick:

NO I would NOT want to eat that!


http://shtf411.com/bp-oil-in-now-in-the-food-chain-t10182-p95136.html
http://gimundo.com/news/article/one-thousand-paper-cranes-for-peace-the-story-of-sadako-sasaki/

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link to Snisha thread...just cause we "can't see it" don't mean it ain't there...
http://shtf411.com/usf-researchers-ultraviolet-tests-show-contaminated-beach-t10196-p95220.html
http://gimundo.com/news/article/one-thousand-paper-cranes-for-peace-the-story-of-sadako-sasaki/

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Despite what the gov't officials and BP maintain, as this story from the October Archives on Phoenix Rising from the Gulf describes...

Conclusive evidence that BP capped the wrong well, and by grouting the faults, they are spreading the oil far and wide.

http://phoenixrisingfromthegulf.wordpress.com/2010/10/26/conclusive-evidence-that-bp-capped-the-wrong-well-and-by-grouting-the-faults-they-are-spreading-the-oil-far-and-wide/


It ain't over by a long shot(!)

I found that because warrenb gave us a thread today that links to a story about how the sea floor is still leaking in the GOM and how they are still applying chemical...




I went and checked out the story, a well as a number of the related articles that concerned citizens of florida offer, which includes a series called "Root Causes"...I plugged that into their searchbox and came up with the page this link leads to...
http://phoenixrisingfromthegulf.wordpress.com/?s=Root+Causes+

here's a copy of what they post on the menu page for the series... listed last to first...

Search Results for: Root Causes
BP Oil Spill Cover-up & “Cleanup”: Disaster Capitalism At Its Worst
Posted on November 10, 2010 by concernedcitizensofflorida
Has the Post-Disaster Recovery Program become a profitable scam? – Part IIIc of Root Causes. – BK Lim 9 Nov 2010 As we have seen in many cases, disasters can be highly profitable for those who know in advance or … Continue reading →

Everything Points to Willful Negligence in BP’s Shallow Hazards Assessment
Posted on November 2, 2010 by concernedcitizensofflorida
Willful Negligence in BP’s Shallow Hazards Assessment– Part IIIb of Root Causes – BK Lim 30 Oct 2010 hydrocomgeo@gmail.com Site-specific shallow hazards assessment is mandatory prior to any well drilling so that disasters like BP’s mega oil spill can be … Continue reading →

BP, Halliburton, Transocean, US Government are all directly complicit in this environmental crime of the millennium
Posted on October 30, 2010 by concernedcitizensofflorida
The Safety & Data Fraud Iceberg in the exploration industry – Part IIIa of Root Causes Posted by BK Lim Independent Geohazards Specialist Friday, October 29, 2010 As the blame game continues and the truth trickle out little by little, … Continue reading →

The Vaporization Of Methane Hydrates Due To Undersea Oil Drilling Contributes Major Greenhouse Gas Emissions
Posted on October 22, 2010 by concernedcitizensofflorida
Our worst fears of vaporising hydrates from the deep confirmed-Part IIc of Root Causes. – BK Lim 22 Oct 2010 hydrocomgeo@gmail.com Figure 125-1 Pimpled seafloor with shallow smooth depressions are features indicative of continuous vaporisation of hydrates from superficial clayey … Continue reading →

Methane gas and oil seepage a fact of life wherever undersea drilling is conducted
Posted on October 11, 2010 by concernedcitizensofflorida
More ROV evidences of shallow faults & drilling problems- Part IIb of Root Causes. – BK Lim 9 Oct 2010 hydrocomgeo@gmail.com 1. Periodic gas and oil seepages through cracks in the heavily cemented seafloor. . … Continue reading →

BP’s Macondo Disaster – A Completely Manmade Catastrophe That Never Stops Revealing Deeper Truths About Undersea Drilling
Posted on October 7, 2010 by concernedcitizensofflorida
ROV evidences confirming Worst Case Geological Scenario in BP’s Macondo Disaster- Part IIa of Root Causes. – BK Lim 5 Oct 2010 hydrocomgeo@gmail.com When The Root Causes Of BP’s Oil Spill & The Imminent Threat Of More Oil Related Disasters … Continue reading →

BP Has Maintained An Illusion Around The Blown Macondo Well: That Veil Is Now Being Pierced
Posted on September 12, 2010 by concernedcitizensofflorida
Conclusive Evidence Well A is not the well that blew up on 20 April – part 3 AoMD By BK Lim, Geohazards Specialist 11 Sept 2010- This article is dedicated to the victims of 911 and the people who are … Continue reading →

The twisted tale of the missing 3rd well that blew at the Macondo Prospect
Posted on August 25, 2010 by concernedcitizensofflorida
Art of Mass Deception–Part 2: The twisted tale of the missing 3rd well that blew. By BK Lim Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:45 AM EDT 1. Filling the critical truths in BP’s gapping official storyline and making sense of it … Continue reading →

THE BP GULF OIL SPILL: A Matter Of National Security?
Posted on May 22, 2010 by concernedcitizensofflorida
Why does the US Federal Government continue to allow British Petroleum (BP), a serial criminal among oil companies, to control the biggest crime scene in American history?! Why hasn’t the Barack Obama Administration (BOA) simply taken complete control of the … Continue reading →

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i see that name halliburton - seems like every covert operation going on in these 50 states points back to halliburton - they are behind the production of FEMA coffin - sinister organization -

i just don't have a good feeling about the coastal states - i smell shit coming from the gulf -

msm is keeping things mighty quiet down yonder! which brings me to the simple fact when all truth every gets out to the masses and a movement forms it will be from the the platform of the blogosphere -

thanks Delaine for keeping abreast of the situation - you little watchdog! :cheesygrin:
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musselwhite wrote:i see that name halliburton - seems like every covert operation going on in these 50 states points back to halliburton - they are behind the production of FEMA coffin - sinister organization -

i just don't have a good feeling about the coastal states - i smell shit coming from the gulf -

msm is keeping things mighty quiet down yonder! which brings me to the simple fact when all truth every gets out to the masses and a movement forms it will be from the the platform of the blogosphere -

thanks Delaine for keeping abreast of the situation - you little watchdog! :cheesygrin:



ooh musselwhite... I feel uncomfortable taking any credit for so many other people's hard work... warrenb got me started again here today, with his thread that led to the phoenixrising site...so first thanks from me to him!
As I said in warren's thread, Thank Goodness that people who know what to look for are still paying attention, and posting their findings...and making it easier for those of us who don't know what to look for, to understand what we are looking at!



I confess to a feeling of having dropped the ball here, esp. after reading this, which prefaced one of the stories I found there this morning...that "Conclusive Evidence..." one I posted the link to above!

(dedicated to those at ATS who worked hard to keep the BP-live discussion on ROV thread alive especially StealthyKat , Ektar and Kno22 who sourced the ROV videos).

It looks to me like BK Lim, Geohazards Specialist, and the folks at this phoenixrising site..concernedcitizensofflorida, have stuck with it, kept up with the research, and with keeping us informed...! As one can see from looking at their Archives..their investigation is ongoing...I'm guessing there are others, as well that haven't swallowed the hook, line, and sinkers...

I started looking here, at one of those stories listed above..I'd continued to wonder about the "three leaks" mentioned initially, and had never really been satisfied.. this story makes it even more weird...not just three "leaks"
actually three WELLS!!!

The twisted tale of the missing 3rd well that blew at the Macondo Prospect

http://phoenixrisingfromthegulf.wordpress.com/2010/08/25/the-twisted-tale-of-the-missing-3rd-well-that-blew/
noticing at the top of the page are thread links.. a title with a "back arrow", and a "forward arrow" that takes you to related stories..like for this story they read

← More Mystery Shrouds the Blown Well at the Macondo Prospect

Houston, We Have A HUGE Problem ! ! ! (BP America is headquartered in Houston, TX) →


I also find it edifying to read the comments after these articles.

and regarding that company you mentioned whose name begins with an "H", It does seem to keep turning up related to some pretty questionable practices, and events...:shifty:

btw I was checking one of the older links here on this thread.. one on page five to Rigzone, about how does cementing work.. just now, at the top of the page is an ad that states:


I WANT OPPORTUNITIES HALLIBURTON HAS THEM
GO HALLIBURTON
http://www.gohalliburton.com


checked out the link.. they have a vid after you hit the GOGreen link that shows how they are into "Sustainability"...
"It's basic Science.. Actions have Consequences"..
is how the vid starts out..!

The people in red t-shirts standing in a heart shape holding hands is especially touching...

"Halliburton is eliminating potable water from some surfaces".. definitely got my attention.... say whaaat?

I must say.. this quote from their gogreen page is, to me, quite thought provoking....


The goal of our sustainability efforts is to be welcomed as a good corporate neighbor. This has several components, starting with a commitment to do no harm to the environment.
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wow...
http://shtf411.com/war-on-the-world-rothschild-league-s-30-facts-evidencing-gulf-oil-disaster-was-planned-t10856.html


link to article, followed by just a few of the "facts" listed...creepy..



THE GULF OIL DISASTER IS WAR ON WE THE PEOPLE:
30 Facts Evidencing the Rothschild League of Bankers
Planned the Gulf Oil Crisis

by Leonard G. Horowitz and Sherri Kane
http://clareswinney.wordpress.com/2010/07/08/war-on-the-world-rothschild-leagues-30-facts-evidencing-gulf-oil-disaster-was-planned%e2%80%8f/
5) The propaganda ploy used most effectively in the Gulf, and in all crises, is to blame illusory villains to create sham debates. When Obama is blamed for the oil crisis, for instance, the “accident” faults Democrats. When Halliburton is blamed, the Republicans feel faulted. This divisive diversion suckers masses of idiots, discredits the media’s intelligence, and shames people who still claim we have a “free” and “responsible” press.

6) The Deepwater Horizon (Mississippi Canyon 252) oil rig that exploded is the property of Transocean, not British Petroleum (BP); and both companies are financially directed by Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, and UBS investment bankers, all operating in the Rothschild League of banks.

7) Coincidentally, or demonically, the oil rig’s failed cementation job exploded on Hitler’s birthday, just in time to poison Earth Day 2010, thanks to Transocean’s contractor–the infamous Dick Cheney/George Bush officiated Halliburton Company allied with Homeland Security.

8 ) Halliburton officials admit knowing their cementation job was likely to explode just when it did, according to Congressional testimony.

9) Goldman Sachs (GS) officials, likewise, knew the rig was likely to explode when it did. They bet millions of dollars on this event only days before it happened! (Lloyd Blankfein, CEO of GS, directed 44% (4.6 million shares) of BP stock to be dumped three weeks before the explosion.

10 ) Not surprisingly, Transocean was merged into its current corporate state by Goldman-Sachs (a.k.a., “Government Sachs”) in 2007.





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14) The Management Boards of the Eurex Stock Exchanges and the Executive Board of Germany’s Eurex Clearing AG decided, on April 14, 2010, to introduce an equity option on shares of Transocean Ltd, effective on the day of the explosion, April 20, 2010. This gave inside traders a full day to dump their “uninsured” stock in Transocean at the highest price possible (before the rest of Wall Street responded to the explosion). Then the crisis capitalists were able to reinvest their funds securing the higher price value.

These officials published zero reason for Transocean’s new equity option program that encouraged banking criminals to use “protective puts” to make millions.

In other words, by paying a relatively small premium (compared to the soon-to-be plunging market value of Transocean stock), the Rothschild Leaguers knew no matter how far the stock dropped, it could be sold at the original “strike price” (also called the “put option”) anytime before April 20, 2012.

This additionally evidences premeditated murder, and the financial motives of the Swiss/German banking chiefs influencing Europe’s most active stock exchanges. These inside traitors and industrial sabateurs, financially controlling Transocean, Halliburton, and BP, committed the gravest environmental crime of all time, with obvious plans to profit from the mass murdering of people and destruction of the Gulf.
15) This was how money was made from the obvious sabotage. After UBS sold its 2.1 million shares of BP, prior to the explosion, the “put option” policy on BP stock was similarly exercised when UBS bought back 8.6 million BP shares by June 7.

16) Transocean Vice President of Marketing, Terry Bonno, met UBS officials on May 27, 2010, according to a heavily censored Thompson Reuter’s report and transcript. (CLICK HERE to read it.) The “Ultra-Deepwater market will start to pick up longer-term,” Bonno encouraged banking officials.

17) So within weeks of the explosion the Rothschild League of investment bankers were yelling “Buy! Buy! Buy! BP stock,” stating the costs for clean-up were miniscule compared to what their investments and company profits would earn.

18) This quote detailed the BP-banking-stock-jocks’ plot: “Buying shares today while writing $55 calls and “puts” for the January 2012 expiration allows for an outstanding cash-on-cash return if BP merely bounces back by 14% over the next 21 months. In a best case you’ll net 98% total returns on the actual cash outlay (assuming you write the puts against paid-up marginable equity already held in your margin-type account).”

(Editor’s Note: Can you imagine the psychopathology, blind ignorance, and murderous greed of investing, or reinvesting, in these companies that are killing us and our planet?)

19) Much like the instantly manufactured equity investment option created for Transocean right before the explosion, BP’s stock insurance plan secured the ongoing devastation in the Gulf with this financial promise: “In a worst case scenario you’ll end up with twice the number of BP ADRs at an average cost of $42.64 or less,” stock gurus promoted. “That’s lower than the annual lows for BP during the entire period 2004 right through 2007.”

Proud Profiteers in Media Magic

The wizards of oil, pulling the strings behind the media’s propaganda, are best exemplified by Goldman Sachs’s CEO, Lloyd Blankfein. Lloyd merged, and still largely controls, ABC/Disney and Miramax. Blankfein’s partner, co-chairing the PFNYC, is Rupert Murdoch, controlling FOX News, Time-Warner, Associated Press, News Corp and much more. Another partner in this David Rockefeller-founded PFNYC cabal is Thompson Reuters chairman, Thomas Glocer. The PFNYC was responsible for financial reconciliations from 9-11, and “veering” World Trade Center reconstruction money from New York to Las Vegas through Apollo Management’s MGM private equity investments. (Apollo co-owns Nalco/Corexit with Goldman Sachs.) The PFNYC was chartered by Britain’s Royal family, bringing NBC/Comcast into their stead, as well as the General Electric company. Last but not least, CBS owner, Sumner Murray Rothstein (Redstone), joined the clique through his CBS-Viacom stable of companies.

20) The Halliburton cementation job’s sabotage, and resulting oil hemorrhage in the Gulf, served perfectly, synchronously and financially, to “veer” media attention away from Lloyd Blankfein’s/ Goldman-Sachs’s shorting of the American housing market, accelerating the planned economic collapse of the USA for the forthcoming New World Order’s “New Deal.”



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what a long strange trip it's been...."

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Post Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:33 pm

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(Editor’s Note: Can you imagine the psychopathology, blind ignorance, and murderous greed of investing, or reinvesting, in these companies that are killing us and our planet?)


insatiable appetites - someone mentioned corporate america is liken to pak-man video game - exactly like it -
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Post Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:33 pm

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Delaine

You have done an incredible job with this thread and although I haven't posted much in here I have been reading. You should get an award for this and all the hard work you've done.. maybe a SHTF t-shirt or something!

Great Job!

Thank You

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