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American Elites Abandon Their Faux Regret Over Iraq

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Post Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:52 pm

American Elites Abandon Their Faux Regret Over Iraq

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The New York Times' Tom Friedman, who did as much as any single individual to persuade large numbers of Democrats and "moderates" to support the invasion of Iraq, today writes:

Former President George W. Bush’s gut instinct that this region craved and needed democracy was always right. It should have and could have been pursued with much better planning and execution. This war has been extraordinarily painful and costly. But democracy was never going to have a virgin birth in a place like Iraq, which has never known any such thing.

Some argue that nothing that happens in Iraq will ever justify the costs. Historians will sort that out. Personally, at this stage, I only care about one thing: that the outcome in Iraq be positive enough and forward-looking enough that those who have actually paid the price -- in lost loved ones or injured bodies, in broken homes or broken lives, be they Iraqis or Americans or Brits -- see Iraq evolve into something that will enable them to say that whatever the cost, it has given freedom and decent government to people who had none.

Sure, the war that I helped sell and cheered on led to the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent human beings (at least), the long-term displacement of millions more, and the complete destruction of another country that had done nothing to us. But I'm not interested in clouding my mind with any of that. I don't care about that. That can be talked about once I'm dead. After all, as the great humanitarian Joseph Stalin taught us, you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, and as the great scholar and torturer Condoleezza Rice explained, we should just gently shut our eyes and think about the massive slaughter and destruction we caused in that country as mere "birth pangs" on the road to something beautiful.

Back in 2003, I said -- with bloodthirsty sadism rabidly drooling from my mouth -- that the real purpose of the war, what made it the Right Thing to do, was that we needed to make large numbers of Muslims "suck. on. this" in order to show them we mean business, and we randomly picked Iraq because . . . . we could. But now -- to justify the enormous amounts of blood I helped spill and the incalculable amounts of human suffering I helped spawn -- I'm going to pretend that I was motivated by a magnanimous, noble desire to Spread Freedom.


It was only a matter of time before American elites abandoned their faux regret over Iraq. For tribalists and nationalists, America can err in its execution but never in its motives. There's no question -- as this glorifying, propagandistic Newsweek cover story reflects -- that it's now official dogma that this was the right thing to do, or at least that we produced something great and wonderful for that country, as was our intent all along (leaving aside the what is actually happening in Iraq). It's nothing short of nauseating to watch those responsible glorify what they did without weighing -- or, in Friedman's case, affirmatively dismissing as irrelevant -- the extreme amounts of death and suffering that they caused, all based on false pretenses. But this is why Tom Friedman is the favorite propagandist of "Washington insiders"-- because he feeds them the justifications they need to feel good about themselves. Forget all those innocent dead people and destruction you caused; it all worked out in the end.


UPDATE: Several people argue in Comments that this effort to portray the invasion of Iraq as a good thing is motivated not only by a desire for self-cleansing on the part of those responsible, but also to enable future, similar wars to take place. I don't know whether that's the motive, but it's definitely the effect. That the invasion of Iraq has been so widely perceived as a horrific debacle had the effect of minimizing the likelihood of future invasions. Having it now depicted as something that worked out and produced Great Results necessarily makes it easier to justify future wars in that region. After all, if attacking and invading Muslim countries we don't like in order to change their government is the good and right thing to do, shouldn't we keep doing it?


UPDATE II: Freedom is on the March: we shouldn't burden our minds worrying about this, though; just do what Tom Friedman does and leave it to the historians while patting ourselves on the back.
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/03/10/friedman
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Post Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:58 pm

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I only care about one thing: that the outcome in Iraq be positive enough and forward-looking enough that those who have actually paid the price -- in lost loved ones or injured bodies, in broken homes or broken lives, be they Iraqis or Americans or Brits -- see Iraq evolve into something that will enable them to say that whatever the cost, it has given freedom and decent government to people who had none


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Post Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:58 pm

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Lucky Iraq. We killed over a million and decimated their infrastructure to award them our idea of democracy and freedom. Freedom that brings them forced health care (they don't have access to) under penalty of imprisonment, taxation without representation, police brutality, illegal search and seizure, and a Big Mac on every corner - Oh and two miles up take a right for Walmart.

We removed their leader because he was brutal dictator who killed and used chemical and bio warfare on his own people? Is not the forced fluoridation of our water supply chemical warfare? Isn't forcing our children vaccinations that cause autism bio warfare? Isn't invading and occupying another country, killing millions of civilians and destroying their electric grid (down for years now) in searing heat brutal?

Welcome Iraq to the American NWO.
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Post Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:50 pm

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Bring them democracy? That like "terrorists hating our freedom", we should all quit repeating the nonsense so as to ensure that none fall into its belief as fact.
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Post Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:01 pm

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BUUULLLLshit.

We didn't kill a million Iraqis.

Where does this shit come from?
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Post Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:32 pm

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<<...see Iraq evolve into something that will enable them to say that whatever the cost, it has given freedom and decent government to people who had none.>>


ABUSE (part 1 of 4)
We are going to fight them and impose our will on them and we will capture or . . . kill them until we have imposed law and order on this country. We dominate the scene and we will continue to impose our will on this country.

Paul Bremer, U.S. Administrator of occupied Iraq



Something very unpleasant is being let loose in Iraq. Just this week, a company commander in the U.S. 1st Infantry Division in the north of the country admitted that, in order to elicit information about the guerrillas who are killing American troops, it was necessary to “instill fear” in the local villagers. An Iraqi interpreter working for the Americans had just taken an old lady from her home to frighten her daughters and granddaughters into believing that she was being arrested.

A battalion commander in the same area put the point even more baldly. “With a heavy dose of fear and violence, and a lot of money for projects, I think we can convince these people that we are here to help them,” he said. He was speaking from a village that his men had surrounded with barbed wire, upon which was a sign, stating: “This fence is here for your protection. Do not approach or try to cross, or you will be shot.”

Robert Fisk


http://www.endgamethebook.org/Excerpts/7-Abuse.htm


The above quote used by Derrick , in the book, is part of an article (Iraq through the American looking glass), that can be found here;
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5420.htm
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Post Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:53 pm

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Dooper wrote:BUUULLLLshit.

We didn't kill a million Iraqis.

Where does this shit come from?



It doesn’t matter if the USA killed one million or just one,

I bet if it was your child they had killed it would be the only thing that mattered in your mind
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Post Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:59 pm

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Let me add I think the entire war was illegal and based on lies and all that voted for it including President Bush should be tried for war crimes in Iraq.

If found guilty they should be executed because if you really claim you want democracy over there then let’s show the Iraq people you mean it, and let those guilty person then be judged by the Iraqi people

Yea I didn’t think so
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Post Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:39 pm

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VonHelman wrote:If found guilty they should be executed because if you really claim you want democracy over there then let’s show the Iraq people you mean it, and let those guilty person then be judged by the Iraqi people


LOL. If found guilty they should be put up for envoy for the whole middle east region. Oh hang on, that actually happened (T.Blair).
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 489614.ece

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Post Sun Jun 06, 2010 3:58 am

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DwainB wrote:
VonHelman wrote:If found guilty they should be executed because if you really claim you want democracy over there then let’s show the Iraq people you mean it, and let those guilty person then be judged by the Iraqi people


LOL. If found guilty they should be put up for envoy for the whole middle east region. Oh hang on, that actually happened (T.Blair).
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 489614.ece

:dizzy:


I looked at the article linked here- The picture of T Blair- looking at his "smile" called to mind one of the "villians" in a Batman story- was it the joker or the riddler...?
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Post Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:48 pm

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Delaine wrote:
DwainB wrote:
VonHelman wrote:If found guilty they should be executed because if you really claim you want democracy over there then let’s show the Iraq people you mean it, and let those guilty person then be judged by the Iraqi people


LOL. If found guilty they should be put up for envoy for the whole middle east region. Oh hang on, that actually happened (T.Blair).
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 489614.ece

:dizzy:


I looked at the article linked here- The picture of T Blair- looking at his "smile" called to mind one of the "villians" in a Batman story- was it the joker or the riddler...?


Hi Delaine,

The Joker. Unfortunately not much to laugh about regarding old TB.

AS an aside: I was watching that Michael Moore film about capitalism the other day (aired on local channel over here) and there is a short clip of Geogre W Bush in it and he talking at a some convention or evening dinner and he makes a statement, the crowd love it and are clapping and he scans the room taking in their praise and its weird, the way he scans the room and his eyes. I don't baulk easy or get taken in but it's so alien. Check it out if you get a chance. I looked for a clip on the internet but no luck. Really, really weird. Could just be arrogance mind plus Geogre was never as daft as he made out during his presidency in my opinion.

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