This whole H1N1 hype is begining to really concern me. The "artificial" shortages just makes the masses crave it more. Obama declaring a national emergency, this going on in the Ukrane.

My spidey senses are tingling. . . . .

This all makes sense to me Sancho, and in my thread I asked who has something against/or wants this country as they were already in dire straits with their economy.

Still, I for one need to see the results of the testing to get a real understanding of what is happening. We can throw alot of stuff out there as speculation, but in all likely hood we will not really know the real facts until 'after the fact'. Such is the way of our world.

Something doesn't sit right about this whole situation.

Why close borders if it's just H1N1?

What is being sprayed?

It's obvious that the Ukraine gov't doesn't trust the WHO... good idea, but if they and others know not to trust them why haven't they said anything till the end game?

Who's controlling WHO?

Why are the neighbours closing borders if they think it's H1N1?

As a side note someone I know who has a sibling very high up in the Canadian version of the CDC as a researcher has told my friend to get the shot because the mutated version of the h1n1 comming next will be much more deadlier and the shot will protect but not much proection with out it. I take this to mean they thing it will mutate not that they know someone has tinkered with it.

Thanks for the scary thread Sancho!

Hey have you guys seen the latest David Dee's Illustration?

Good find Exhuberant1.

Joseph Moshe worked in that field too, so he has ties to that kind of work.

I think it is pretty obvious that something fishy was going on with Joseph
Moshe due to the level of response and speed of that response.

I agree that whatever is in the Ukraine is not the standard H1N1 strain at
a minimum.

I agree the ppl in the region have compromised immune systems thou.

I think ppl around the world are suspicious of governments as the past
paints them in a very bad light, and rightly so.

Until we get a major break in the story I guess we just wait and see.

I know the Ukraine has an election coming up shortly. I also remeber one canidate being described as pro west and one as pro moscow. Any one know more about the timing of the elections? Which canidate is in the lead? If it is a bio weapon then either the west or russia could provide the bioweapon and aid to sway voters one way or another. Also is the area most hardest hit a strong hold for one canidate or the other?

I'm not able to read ukrainian so I have no way of researching these questions. I do think this has a political bent.

It wouldn't be the first time Yulia Tymoshenko and Viktor Yushchenko have been embroiled in bizarre plots. D'you remember the assassination-style attempt involving chemical-poisioning Yushenko with Dioxin, causing him severe facial disfigurement at the time of the last elections along with the massed public rallies and protests?

Yeah it's pretty screwed up he is disfigured for life, I feel for the guy.

That was mob related, tho. People should know that the part of the world we are describing has a secondary government, and that is the mob. It is scary living there.

I'm glad some people remember this event.
It's funny how the general public seem to have no short or long term memory.
They only remember what the talking heads on TV tell is important.

Awesome!

I like the way he thinks!



For all who are interested, I am keeping track of the Joseph Moshe story here:
joseph-moshe-baxter-and-a-biological-weapon-in-ukraine-t965.html

Thanks HSM, I'm intensely interesed in this story. It didn't sit right with me the first time it was reported.

Project Camelot interviews Jane Burgermeister
Jane is a young woman living in Vienna who, while working as a medical editor, was horrified to learn in early 2009 of the fiasco in which a Baxter International research facility in Orth-Donau, Austria, sent a quantity of human H3N2 viral material to 18 European laboratories.

Such a supply of experimental material would have been totally normal - except that in this instance the H3N2 had been somehow contaminated with live H5N1... the far more lethal Avian Flu.

As a medical editor, Jane immediately realized the import of what had happened - and what had nearly happened - and raised the alarm. But no-one in the Austrian media was interested. She then took matters into her own hands and filed legal charges against those who she considered the perpetrators to be.

Very soon after, Jane was dismissed from her job without explanation. Undeterred, she sought support on the internet and continued her campaign. In the months since then she has attracted committed followers - and critics - all over the world. She is not alone in suspecting that there exists a literally diabolical plan which is nothing less than the genocide of potentially hundreds of millions of people worldwide.

That microwave weapon looks like a hatch for the top of the APC it's attached too. See the handle, latches and hinge? Even if it's not a microwave weapon that's still a lot of firepower for one little vw bug.

Hey guys,

I am friends with Dr Bill Deagle and Dr True Ott. I speak to them on the phone regularly. Let me see if I can clarify a few things.


Regarding Joseph Moshe:

A man (who we assume to be Joseph Moshe) called Dr True Ott AFTER HIS RADIO SHOW a few months ago claiming to have knowledge of a Baxter biological weapons production facility in Ukraine. The man didn't identify himself by name. He had an accent, which sounded Middle Eastern. He told Dr Ott "I heard you on air, I want to provide information on a criminal case to prove it to be a biological weapon." Dr Ott asked him where he lived. Southern california. Dr Ott says he could provide the documents to Dr Bill Deagle in S Cali. Then the man said he would contact Dr Bill Deagle. Ott also suggested taking his evidence (which apparently included DOCUMENTS) to a US Attorney's office at a Federal Building in downtown Los Angeles.

Dr Ott , although deep into flu research , gets a fair amount of crank calls -- so he was taking it with a grain of salt.

He didn't think anything of it, until the following week , during which I believe, we see the standoff pictured. We don't have PROOF it was Joseph Moshe who called Dr Ott, but I think it is fair to assume it was him. I think Joseph Moshe was either trying to reach the US Attorney's office in a Federal Building in downtown LA or else the Isreali embassy. Regardless, Moshe was obviously taken into custody under false pretenses , and is likely no longer alive.

Moshe was apparently connected with the US-Isreali biological weapons programs (for example ,, Dyncorp, Battelle, Hadron, etc), which in turn are connected with the Russian programs (Biopreperat etc). Mosche did research into plant reverse genetics, which was likely a cover for his work in biological weapons. Regardless, there is ultimately no "East" or "West", both sides are controlled by the same people. This is more about money and global control than sides. The sides are simply set up for public consumption. Note the Isreali scientists who died in plane crashes when returning from trips to Ukraine and Russia. Simply google "dead microbiologists"

On Ukraine:

I think we are looking a new virus in Ukraine. I assume a new strain of swine flu (H1N1) was released , possibly sprayed at low altitude coupled with a nano-polymer or else distributed in contaminated vaccines, with one or more changes to the hemaglutinin (HA) and neuraminidase (NA) genes. These were obviously changed since the new clinical attack rate is probably as high as 50-100%. Thus , there is no natural immunity, despite the swine flu (A/H1N1/California strain) circulating since last spring. We can infer the high clinical attack rate because the current official Ukranian statistics indicate approximately 455,000 have contracted infections within the past week. The number of infections has doubled within the past 48 hours. There are approximately 25,000 - 30,000 hospitalizations, and at least 93 deaths, probably more (perhaps as high as 1500-3000).

Thus , this is likely a new H1N1 strain, with changes to the HA and/or NA genes (inferred from the high clinical attack rate), as well as possibly changes to the polymerase (PA, PB1, PB2) and/or NS1 gene (inferred from the unusual induction of viral pneumonia in previously healthy individuals). My estimate of the CFR (case fatality rate) from the existing data is somewhere from 0.3% to 3.5%. Comparing this to seasonal or A/H1N1/California strain swine flu which is closer to a CFR of 0.1% or lower. We will know very soon once the WHO collaborating center in London releases the sequences from rt-rtPCR, which may occur as early as today. This could be serious. Let's hope its simply a lack of public health and excessive vodka consumption rather than a new flu strain.

Watch here for any new press releases from the criminals at WHO
http://www.who.int/csr/don/en/

I will be on Dr Bill Deagle's show during the third hour today (5-6pm EST) as well as Dr Ott's show(2-4pm EST) for the full duration today. You can listen to these at http://nutrimedical.com and http://republicbroadcasting.net

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Thanks for providing more information. I do have a question, and this goes for all as well. I'm not saying I disagree with anyone here, but lets visit Occam's Razor for a minute. Poor health conditions, natural flu varieties come up, and a hyper-aware media panicking everytime someone coughs.

Why wouldn't that apply?

Your versions fore tell of the end of times, to say the least. I try to use the phrase "cui bono", or "who benefits." A devistating attack on the people, infrastructure would hurt both us, and the elite.

So who does benefit here?

Ok, I'll say it again. There is an election coming up in Ukraine. It's always a close race between those two. Political ralies are being banned for fear of spreading the disease. There is a pro west and a pro russia canidate. The problem is confined to the poorest areas of the country.

Either
1) It's a way to kill off the supporters of one or the other of the canidates
or
2) It will allow either russia or the west to come in and save them as a white night and sway voters.

So I think this could either be population control or it could be simpley a way to influence a political vote.

Actually Larry the elite may not want the infrastructure in the Ukraine and if I was them and I was planning on doing a cull of the population i'd make sure to make infrastructure in areas I wasn't planning on using unusable so no "survivors" or "holdouts" could use tat infrastructure against me. Of course that only works if this is truly the end game.