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Destron Fearing IBM and the Holocaust and Covert Ops

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Destron Fearing IBM and the Holocaust and Covert Ops

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When you think alien abductions, El Chupacabra, and cattle mutilations, the names of the corporations, Destron Fearing, I.B.M., and being linked to Covert Operations probably do not come to mind, and unless you have been investigating something like this in bits and pieces for a very long time, or you stumbled upon it by accident you would have had no clue it was out there, nor that it was happening, nor that it involves the Real ID Act, R.F.I.D. chip, Verichip, Digital Angel, Lo-Jack, OnStar, XM-Radio, Sirius Radio, the list is getting longer and longer in growing chains of evidence of Government conspiracy, complicit negligence, and tacit agreements behind the scenes as the days to us getting bio-chipped are getting shorter and shorter.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Alien Abduction

The terms alien abduction or the abduction phenomenon describe "subjectively real memories of being taken secretly and/or against one’s will by apparently nonhuman entities and subjected to complex physical and psychological procedures."

People claiming to have been abducted are sometimes called "abductees" or "experiencers."

They often claim to have been subjected to a forced medical examination that emphasizes their reproductive system.

Abductees sometimes claim to have been warned against environmental abuse and the dangers of nuclear weapons.

Consequently, while many of these purported encounters are described as terrifying, some have been viewed as pleasurable or transformative.

The abduction phenomenon has garnered substantial attention from mainstream scientists and mental health professionals, who overwhelmingly doubt that the phenomenon occurs literally as reported and who have proposed a variety of alternate explanations, including "[d]eception, suggestibility (fantasy-proneness, hypnotizability, false-memory syndrome), personality, sleep phenomena, psychopathology, psychodynamics [and] environmental factors."

The first alien abduction narrative to be widely publicized was the Betty and Barney Hill abduction in 1961.

Reports of the abduction phenomenon have been made around the world, but are most common in English speaking countries, especially the United States.

The contents of the abduction narrative often seem to vary with the home culture of the alleged abductee.

Alien abductions have been the subject of conspiracy theories and of popular science fiction works such as The X-Files.


The reason this works so well is because of the victims re-telling of their apparent "abduction" in that they are terrified and they can explain bit and pieces, but they have a loss of time, and as well people ridicule them for their apparent ludicrous "experience" in that they were abducted by "aliens" and anally probed, one of the most humiliating experiences because it is about both domination and as well no one seems to know why the aliens do it.

This is sort of what I did on both fronts, both investigating it in small bits and pieces here and there because of the conspiracy theories I've been following since I was a boy of six, as well as accidently stumbled upon the final pieces of the puzzle while answering other people's questions in other threads, both over at the other site and here on SHTF411.

I have however figured it all out, all of it, because if you've ever seen any of the documentaries of the "alien abductees" they complain of anal probing, and as well they sometimes notice a small device that they cannot explain away (biochip), and when they go to the doctor, the doctor cannot find it, either due to being on the payroll of Government through the H.M.O. or various other means, or they are threatened by people from Government, but here's where the kicker come into it. In the Lo Jack and OnStar systems, they have one device you can find under the car hood, and a secondary unit hidden in the gasoline tank, so if you think of the human body being symbolic of the G.M. cars with Lo Jack and OnStar, one device where you can see it, and the secondary one hidden through anal probing in case you remove the first device, it all clicks into place.
Quote from : Wikipedia :Chupacabra

The Chupacabra or Chupacabras (pronunciation: /tʃupa'kabɾa/, from the Spanish words chupar, meaning "to suck", and cabra, meaning "goat"; literally "goat sucker"), also called El Chupacabras in Spanish, is a legendary cryptid rumored to inhabit parts of the Americas.

It is associated more recently with sightings of an allegedly unknown animal in Puerto Rico (where these sightings were first reported), Mexico, and the United States, especially in the latter's Latin American communities.

The name comes from the animal's reported habit of attacking and drinking the blood of livestock, especially goats.

Physical descriptions of the creature vary.
Eyewitness sightings have been claimed as early as 1990 in Puerto Rico, and have since been reported as far north as Maine, and as far south as Chile.

It is supposedly a heavy creature, the size of a small bear, with a row of spines reaching from the neck to the base of the tail.
Biologists and wildlife management officials view the Chupacabra as a contemporary legend.


The Chupacabra has been terrifying the Latin America community for decades, as well as the amounts of regular abductions of citizens where they are ransomed back to their family members seen in many Hollywood movies, like Taken and Man on Fire.

Quote from : Destron Fearing Website

Destron Fearing is a global leader in innovative animal identification.

With presence in over 40 countries worldwide we seek to provide real world ID solutions to match the ever increasing complexity and opportunities related to animal identification.

Since 1945 we have provided innovative products addressing the needs of livestock producers, companion animal owners, horse owners, wildlife managers and government agencies.


The three threads below are where I began clicking pieces of the puzzle together here on SHTF411.

Largest *public* criminal family in history

22 Starwars defense initiative scientists die mysteriously.

Obama UFO Disclosure ?

After reading the book IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation pieces started falling into place faster and faster.

Quote from : Cattle Mutilation

Cattle mutilation (also known as bovine excision) is the apparent killing and then mutilation of cattle under unusual or anomalous circumstances.

Sheep and horses have allegedly been mutilated under similar circumstances.

A hallmark of these incidents is the surgical nature of the mutilation, and unexplained phenomena such as the complete draining of the animal's blood, loss of internal organs with no obvious point of entry, and surgically precise removal of the reproductive organs and anal coring.

Another reported event is that the animal is found 'dumped' in an area where there are no marks or tracks leading to or from the carcass, even when it is found in soft ground or mud.

The surgical-type wounds tend to be cauterized by an intense heat and made by very sharp/precise instruments, with no bleeding evident.

Often flesh will be removed to the bone in an exact manner, consistent across cases, such as removal of flesh from around the jaw exposing the mandible.

Since the time that reports of purported animal mutilations began, the causes have been attributed variously to natural decomposition, normal predators, cryptid predators (like the Chupacabra), extraterrestrials, secretive governmental or military agencies, and cults.

"Mutilations" have been the subject of two independent federal investigations in the United States.


IBM and the Holocaust


I.B.M. and the Holocaust was one of the more stunning books I've read outlining the wherefores and how-to's of just how the Nazis tracked down the Jews.

Quote from : Wikipedia : I.B.M. and the Holocaust

The book details how IBM's New York headquarters and CEO Thomas J. Watson acted through its overseas subsidiaries to provide the Third Reich with punch card machines that could help the Nazis track down the European Jewry (especially in newly conquered territory).

The book quotes extensively from numerous IBM and government memos and letters that describe how New York-based IBM, its Geneva office and its German subsidiary, Dehomag, were intimately involved in supporting Nazi oppression.

The book also includes IBM's internal reports that admit that these machines made the Nazi efforts much more efficient.

Several documentaries and newspaper articles, including C-SPAN, The Times, the Village Voice, the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, and the 2003 film The Corporation published close-ups of documents demonstrating IBM's involvement in the Holocaust.

One example used was IBM code sheets for concentration camps taken from the files of the National Archives.

IBM's Prisoner Code listed 8 for a Jew and Code 11 for a Gypsy.
Camp Code 001 was Auschwitz, Code 002 was Buchenwald.

Status Code 5 was executed by order, code 6 was gas chamber.

One extensively quoted IBM report written at the time by the company's European manager explained the purpose of IBM's relationship with the Nazis as helping Germany in “a campaign started for, what has been termed … ‘organization of the second front.’”

The memo added, “In military literature and in newspapers, the importance and necessity of having in all phases of life, behind the front, an organization which would remain intact and would function with ‘Blitzkrieg’ efficiency … was brought out.

What we had been preaching in vain for years all at once began to be realized.”

The book documents IBM's CEO Thomas J. Watson as being an unrepentant Nazi collaborator.

Watson made numerous arguments to the international community that it should abolish the economic sanctions placed on Germany.

As head of the International Chamber of Commerce, Watson once scheduled its annual meeting in Berlin, where he was witnessed giving a Nazi salute to Hitler in the infamous "Sieg Heil" fashion.

Watson traveled to Germany numerous times after the Nazis took power in 1933, but it was on the Commerce trip that he received an honor medal from Hitler.

An IBM customer site, the Hollerith Abteilung, operated in almost every concentration camp.

It either ran machines, sorted cards or prepared documents for IBM processing.

IBM serviced the machines on site. I
In addition, the infamous Auschwitz arm tattoo began as an IBM number.

IBM actively worked with the Hitler regime from its inception in 1933 to its demise in 1945 using a variety of subsidiaries from those in Nazi-occupied countries such as France and Holland to those in neutral countries such as Switzerland and Sweden.

After 1942, the German subsidiary came under temporary receivership, preserving all original IBM managers and safekeeping all profits for IBM in New York.

Shortly after the war, the company worked aggressively to recover the safeguarded profits made from the many Hollerith departments in the concentration camps, the printing of millions of punchcards used to keep track of the prisoners, the custom-built punchcard systems, and its servicing of the extermination through its labor program.

The company also paid its employees special bonuses based on high sales volume to the Nazis and collaborator regimes.

As in many corporate cases, when the US entered the war, the Third Reich left in place the original IBM managers who continued their contacts via Geneva; thus, company activities continued without interruption.

The book also revealed IBM also tried to block, hinder, and confuse investigation on the company's role in WWII.

When IBM realized the project already had extensive data to make its case, it attempted to whitewash its role issuing several public denials of its involvement.


After piecing bits and pieces together I realized this was the Hegelian Dialectic, and I did a search of Destron Fearing and alien abductions on Yahoo.

Here's a lot of websites I came up with, with those search words together and it turns out this rabbit hole goes a lot deeper.

Yahoo Search : Destron Fearing+Alien Abductions

It is the Hegelian Dialectic in action, plain and simple.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Dialectic

Hegelian dialectic, usually presented in a three-fold manner, was stated by Heinrich Moritz Chalybäus as comprising three dialectical stages of development: a thesis, giving rise to its reaction, an antithesis, which contradicts or negates the thesis, and the tension between the two being resolved by means of a synthesis.

Although this model is often named after Hegel, he himself never used that specific formulation.

Hegel ascribed that terminology to Kant.

Carrying on Kant's work, Fichte greatly elaborated on the synthesis model, and popularized it.

On the other hand, Hegel did use a three-valued logical model that is very similar to the antithesis model, but Hegel's most usual terms were: Abstract-Negative-Concrete.

Sometimes Hegel would use the terms, Immediate-Mediated-Concrete.

Hegel used these terms hundreds of times throughout his works.

The formula, Thesis-Antithesis-Synthesis, does not explain why the Thesis requires an Antithesis.

However, the formula, Abstract-Negative-Concrete, suggests a flaw in any initial thesis—it is too abstract and lacks the negative of trial, error and experience.

The same applies to the formula, Immediate-Mediated-Concrete.

For Hegel, the Concrete, the Synthesis, the Absolute, must always pass through the phase of the Negative, that is, Mediation.

This is the actual essence of what is popularly called Hegelian Dialectics.

To describe the activity of overcoming the negative, Hegel also often used the term Aufhebung, variously translated into English as "sublation" or "overcoming," to conceive of the working of the dialectic.

Roughly, the term indicates preserving the useful portion of an idea, thing, society, etc., while moving beyond its limitations.

(Jacques Derrida's preferred French translation of the term was relever).

In the Logic, for instance, Hegel describes a dialectic of existence: first, existence must be posited as pure Being (Sein); but pure Being, upon examination, is found to be indistinguishable from Nothing (Nichts).

When it is realized that what is coming into being is, at the same time, also returning to nothing (in life, for example, one's living is also a dying), both Being and Nothing are united as Becoming.

As in the Socratic dialectic, Hegel claimed to proceed by making implicit contradictions explicit: each stage of the process is the product of contradictions inherent or implicit in the preceding stage.

For Hegel, the whole of history is one tremendous dialectic, major stages of which chart a progression from self-alienation as slavery to self-unification and realization as the rational, constitutional state of free and equal citizens.

The Hegelian dialectic cannot be mechanically applied for any chosen thesis.

Critics argue that the selection of any antithesis, other than the logical negation of the thesis, is subjective.

Then, if the logical negation is used as the antithesis, there is no rigorous way to derive a synthesis.

In practice, when an antithesis is selected to suit the user's subjective purpose, the resulting "contradictions" are rhetorical, not logical, and the resulting synthesis is not rigorously defensible against a multitude of other possible syntheses.

The problem with the Fichtean "Thesis-Antithesis-Synthesis" model is that it implies that contradictions or negations come from outside of things.

Hegel's point is that they are inherent in and internal to things.

This conception of dialectics derives ultimately from Heraclitus.

Hegel has outlined that the purpose of dialectics is "to study things in their own being and movement and thus to demonstrate the finitude of the partial categories of understanding"

One important dialectical principle for Hegel is the transition from quantity to quality, which he terms the Measure.

The measure is the qualitative quantum, the quantum is the existence of quantity.


This is quite simply working because of the size of the populace of America, as well as the rest of the world just does not know of the shadow games that each of the Governments of each country are willing to play in order to keep us in check.

Think about why the term "illegal aliens" is used, because people are Wikipedia : Xenophobic, period.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Xenophobic

Xenophobia is a dislike and/or fear of that which is unknown or different from oneself.

It comes from the Greek words ξένος (xenos), meaning "stranger," "foreigner" and φόβος (phobos), meaning "fear."

The term is typically used to describe a fear or dislike of foreigners or of people significantly different from oneself, usually in the context of visibly differentiated minorities.


If people are afraid, or even terrified, or blindly ignorant to what's going on they have no clue as to the horrors that can and will be carried out via Governments.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Covert Operations

A covert operation (also as CoveOps or covert ops) is a military, intelligence or law enforcement operation that is carried clandestinely and, often, outside of official channels.

Covert operations aim to fulfill their mission objectives without any parties knowing who sponsored or carried out the operation.

Under United States law, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is the sole agency legally allowed to carry out Covert Action.

The CIA's authorities to conduct Covert Action comes from the National Security Act of 1947.

President Ronald Reagan issued Executive Order 12333 titled in 1984.

This order defined covert action as "special activities", both political and military, that the US Government could legally deny.

The CIA was also designated as the sole authority under the 1991 Intelligence Authorization Act and in Title 50 of the United States Code Section 413(e).

The CIA must have a "Presidential Finding" issued by the President of the United States in order to conduct these activities under the Hughes-Ryan amendment to the 1991 Intelligence Authorization Act.

These findings are then monitored by the oversight committees in both the US Senate and the House of Representatives.

As a result of this framework, the CIA has the most oversight of any other government agency.

The Special Activities Division (SAD) is a division of the CIA's National Clandestine Service, responsible for Covert Action and "Special Activities".

These special activities include covert political influence and paramilitary operations.


Think about the complexity that this had to have behind it in order to carry off one of the largest, and most covert operations via the United States Federal Government, and blue chip corporations like Destron Fearing and I.B.M.

Quote from : Wikipedia : I.B.M.

International Business Machines Corporation, abbreviated IBM, is a multinational computer technology and IT consulting corporation headquartered in Armonk, Town of North Castle, New York, United States.

The company is one of the few information technology companies with a continuous history dating back to the 19th century.

IBM manufactures and sells computer hardware and software (with a focus on the latter), and offers infrastructure services, hosting services, and consulting services in areas ranging from mainframe computers to nanotechnology.

It has been nicknamed "Big Blue" for its official corporate color.

IBM has been well known through most of its recent history as the world's largest computer company and systems integrator.

With over 398,455 employees worldwide, IBM is the largest and most profitable information technology employer in the world.

IBM holds more patents than any other U.S. based technology company and has eight research laboratories worldwide.

The company has scientists, engineers, consultants, and sales professionals in over 170 countries.

IBM employees have earned five Nobel Prizes, four Turing Awards, nine National Medals of Technology, and five National Medals of Science.

As a chip maker, IBM has been among the Worldwide Top 20 Semiconductor Sales Leaders in past years.


The reason they would do this testing through the "alien abductions", "cattle mutilations", and the mystique of "El Chupacabra" is simple, because people fear what they do not know, and as well they wanted to track herd migrations patterns.

As well they could keep it secret from the mainstream in order to sneak it up on us through legislation that would be passed as "security measures".

Like this one here :

Quote from : Wikipedia : Real ID Act

The REAL ID Act of 2005 is U.S. federal law that imposes certain security, authentication, and issuance procedures standards for the state driver's licenses and state ID cards, for them to be accepted by the federal government for "official purposes", as defined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.

Currently, the Secretary of Homeland Security has defined "official purposes" as presenting state driver's licenses and identification cards for boarding commercially operated airline flights and entering federal buildings and nuclear power plants.

The Act is a rider, formally Division B of H.R. 1268, the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, 2005.

The REAL ID Act implements the following:

* Changing visa limits for temporary workers, nurses, and Australian citizens.

* Establishing new national standards for state-issued driver licenses and non-driver identification cards.

* Funding some reports and pilot projects related to border security.

* Introducing rules covering "delivery bonds" (rather like bail bonds but for aliens who have been released pending hearings).

* Updating and tightening the laws on application for asylum and deportation of aliens for terrorist activity.

* Waiving laws that interfere with construction of physical barriers at the borders.

As of April 2, 2008, all 50 states have either applied for extensions of the original May 11, 2008 compliance deadline or received unsolicited extensions.

As of October 2009[update], 25 states have approved either resolutions or binding legislation not to participate in the program, and with President Obama's selection of Janet Napolitano (a prominent critic of the program) to head the Department of Homeland Security, the future of the law remains uncertain, and bills have been introduced into Congress to amend or repeal it.

The most recent of these, dubbed PASS ID, would eliminate many of the more burdensome technological requirements but still require states to meet federal standards in order to have their ID cards accepted by federal agencies.


All of that will eventually sync up with this :

Quote from : Wikipedia : R.F.I.D. Chip

Radio-frequency identification (RFID) is the use of an object (typically referred to as an RFID tag) applied to or incorporated into a product, animal, or person for the purpose of identification and tracking using radio waves.

Some tags can be read from several meters away and beyond the line of sight of the reader.

Most RFID tags contain at least two parts.

One is an integrated circuit for storing and processing information, modulating and demodulating a radio-frequency (RF) signal, and other specialized functions.

The second is an antenna for receiving and transmitting the signal.

There are generally three types of RFID tags: active RFID tags, which contain a battery and can transmit signals autonomously, passive RFID tags, which have no battery and require an external source to provoke signal transmission, and battery assisted passive (BAP) which require an external source to wake up but have significant higher forward link capability providing great read range.

Today, RFID is used in enterprise supply chain management to improve the efficiency of inventory tracking and management.

However, a fair cost-sharing mechanism between retailer and consumer good suppliers is essential for a sustainable RFID adoption to take place.

In addition, it is also necessary for consumer good suppliers to be able to justify their investments in RFID technology with rational motives and justified returns.


...which will sync up to this...

Quote from : Wikipedia : Verichip

VeriChip is the last Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved human-implantable radio-frequency identification (RFID) microchip.

It is marketed by VeriChip Corporation, a subsidiary of Applied Digital Solutions, and it received United States FDA approval in 2004.

About twice the length of a dime, the device is typically implanted between the shoulder and elbow area of an individual’s right arm.

Once scanned at the proper frequency, the VeriChip responds with a unique 16 digit number which could be then linked with information about the user held on a database for identity verification, medical records access and other uses.

The insertion procedure is performed under local anesthetic in a physician's office.

As an implanted device used for identification by a third party, it has generated controversy and debate.

Destron Fearing, a subsidiary of Applied Digital Solutions, initially developed the technology for the VeriChip.

In the beginning of 2007, Verichip Corporation created Xmark, its corporate identity for healthcare products.

Xmark incorporates the Hugs and the Halo system of infant protection; the RoamAlert system of wandering protection; the MyCall emergency response system; and the Assetrac asset tracking system.


...which is a sister to this...

Quote from : Wikipedia : Digital Angel

Digital Angel, Inc. (NASDAQ: DIGA) develops global positioning satellite (GPS) and radio frequency identification (RFID) technology products for consumer, commercial, and government sectors worldwide.

Headquartered in Delray Beach, Florida, their products offer security for people, animals, the food supply, government/military arena, and commercial assets.

Included in this product line are RFID applications, end-to-end food safety systems, GPS/Satellite communications, and telecommunication, security infrastructure and the controversial Verichip human implant, a product which has caused concern among advocates of civil liberties.

Applications for this technology include pets, wildlife and livestock identification using implantable RFID microchips, scanners and antennas.

Digital Angel has also researched and developed GPS search and rescue beacons that integrate geosynchronous communications for use by the military and the private sector to track aircraft, ships and other high value assets.

Subsidiaries

Digital Angel GPS and RFID products enable the rapid and accurate identification, location tracking, and condition monitoring of people.

Applications of their products include identification and monitoring of pets and fish with implantable RFID microchips, identification of livestock with ear tags, GPS based search and rescue beacons for aircraft, ships, boats, and individuals.

Animal Identification Segment

* Daploma
* Destron Fearing - Leading US manufacture since 1945.

Pioneered microchip technology for animals in 1980s.


...and because they want synchronicity it will as well jack into this system...

Quote from : Wikipedia : Lo Jack

The LoJack Stolen Vehicle Recovery System is an aftermarket vehicle tracking system that allows vehicles to be tracked by police, with the aim of recovering them in case of theft.

The manufacturer claims a 90% recovery rate.

The name "LoJack" was coined to be the "antithesis of hijack", meaning the theft of a vehicle through force.

Today, LoJack’s core business comprises the tracking and recovery of cars, trucks, construction equipment, commercial vehicles and motorcycles.

Additionally, LoJack is expanding into newer, emerging markets through licensing agreements and investments in areas such as cargo security and people at risk of wandering.

LoJack Corporation claims that over 250,000 vehicles have been recovered worldwide since the product was introduced more than two decades ago.


...the reason that's all important and you must remember that is because it is the predecessor of this...

Quote from : Wikipedia : OnStar

OnStar Corporation is a subsidiary of General Motors that provides subscription-based communications, in-vehicle security, hands free calling, turn-by-turn navigation, and remote diagnostics systems throughout the United States and Canada.

OnStar services are only available currently on vehicles manufactured by General Motors.

The service is available for all vehicles that have the factory-installed OnStar hardware.

OnStar is known as ChevyStar in Latin American markets.

The service currently has more than five million subscribers.


And you remember that the United States Government just bailed out General Motors, right?

Quote from : Wikipedia : General MotorsChapter 11 Reorganization

The General Motors Chapter 11 reorganization was partially implemented through a section 363 Chapter 11 bankruptcy of automobile manufacturer General Motors and some of its subsidiaries in the United States Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of New York.

The United States government-endorsed bankruptcy plan enabled the Vehicle Acquisition Holdings, LLC ("New GM") to purchase the continuing operational assets of the old GM.

Normal operations, including employees compensation, warranties, and other customer service were uninterrupted during the bankruptcy proceedings.

Operations outside of the United States were not included in the court filing.

The company received debtor-in-possession financing to complete the process.

GM filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy protection in the Manhattan New York federal bankruptcy court on June 1, 2009 at approximately 8:00 am EST.

June 1, 2009 was the deadline to supply an acceptable viability plan to the U.S. Treasury.

The petition is the largest bankruptcy filing of a U.S. industrial company.

The filing reported US$82.29 billion in assets and US$172.81 billion in debt.

After the Chapter 11 filing, effective Monday, June 8, 2009, GM was removed from the Dow Jones Industrial Average and replaced by Cisco Systems.

From Tuesday 2 June, GM stock has traded Over the Counter (Pink Sheets/OTCBB) under the symbol GMGMQ.

On July 10, 2009, a new entity completed the purchase of continuing operations, assets and trademarks of GM as a part of the 'pre-packaged' Chapter 11 reorganization.

As ranked by total assets, GM's reorganization marks one of the largest corporate Chapter 11 reorganizations in U.S. history.

The bankruptcy was the fourth-largest in U.S. history, following Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., Washington Mutual and WorldCom Inc.

Under section 363, a new entity with the backing of the United States Treasury was formed to acquire profitable assets, with the new company planning to issue an initial public offering (IPO) of stock in 2010.

The remaining pre-petition creditors claims are paid from the former corporation's assets.


The goal is for the mass populace to be so terrified, via all of this, and as well the rise of the identity thefts in the last however many decades, it adds to a lot of money to be made by those in power.

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Re: Destron Fearing, I.B.M. and the Holocaust, and Covert Ops

SpartanKing, I wish I could flag this thread so others would read it. :star5:

Good research. Scary research. I am still processing all of this information. It frightens me more than the rest, the RFID technologies and the thoughts that they could be putting them in us while we sleep.

Do you think it's "all of us"?
Why would they track some of us?

Explain
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MissAFortiori wrote:SpartanKing, I wish I could flag this thread so others would read it. :star5:

Good research. Scary research. I am still processing all of this information. It frightens me more than the rest, the RFID technologies and the thoughts that they could be putting them in us while we sleep.

Do you think it's "all of us"?
Why would they track some of us?

Explain
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MissA,

I'm glad you asked that, and yes it is scary, because we are not in control of it.

It will as well eventually connect to your credit cards, Social Security numbers, VIN number, Mobil Speed Pass, H.A.A.R.P., the Internet as well.

It will be all of us, however, they started small, testing the procedures back in Nazi Germany and the United States simultaneously, divide and conquer, while one hand was doing on thing, the other was doing the other thing, through the Census program.

They started with your puppies and cats, the cute and cuddly animals that all of us want returned to us because we just cannot live without them.

They inserted it into your Passports, Mobil Speed Pass, and as well over in the United Kingdom started chipping prisoners, and I heard in Los Angeles, Law Enforcement.

This is where it's going to get bad, because they will weedle it down to you through all sorts of avenues, like the Healthcare Reform Bill and "Bailout Package" as well.

Because, when it comes down to it, they have your animals, they chip wild animals who are hurt or for scientific research of herd migration patterns, pedophiles, rapists, sociopaths are next, criminals and military will most likely come after that, and then, here's where you should be concerned.

The next question is the killer one...

Because, if you have nothing to hide, why are you resisting us?

They will show and throw statistics at you, throw and show you dollar signs and money being saved, product stop-loss being resolved quicker (in your DVD's at Wal-Mart when that alarm goes off at the front door, product stop-loss measures), and the Wal-Mart/K-Mart, Winn Dixie devices at the front door will eventually sync up with silent alarms, when the system is fully up and running, because once you dissent against Government, you're a marked person.

They will not go to your home, they will take your ass out in broad daylight in Wal-Mart, to add to the drama, and as well make it so you're not in your safety zone.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Psychodrama

Psychodrama is a form of human development which explores, through dramatic action, the problems, issues, concerns, dreams and highest aspirations of people, groups, systems and organizations.

( see `Good Practice in Psychodrama`. Author Don Feasey . Publisher Wiley UK)

It is mostly used as a group work method, in which each person in the group can become a therapeutic agent for each other in the group.

Developed by Jacob L. Moreno, psychodrama has strong elements of theater, often conducted on a stage where props can be used.

The audience is fully involved with the dramatic action.

Audience involvement is either through personal interest in the concerns of the leading actor, called the protagonist; or through playing some roles of the drama which helps the protagonist; or taking the form of some of the other elements of the drama, which can give voice to the rest of our wild universe; or through active engagement as an audience member.

Psychodrama's core function is the raising of spontaneity in an adequate and functional manner.

It is through the raising of spontaneity that a system, whether an internal human system or an organizational system, can begin to become creative, life filled and develop new solutions to old and tired problems or adequate solutions to new situations and concerns.

A psychodrama is best conducted and produced by a person trained in the method or learning the method called a psychodrama director.

There are many psychodrama training institutes in many countries around the world.


Think of a psyop, a psychological operation, and you've got it.

Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare

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From 007 to 2001, from Dealey Plaza to the Apollo Moon Flight, from the barrel of a Bulldog .44 to the corridors of the pyramids of Sirius; from the secret symbolism of Jack the Ripper to the public symbolism of the first atomic bomb blast, this work illuminates the crimes and command ideology of the masonic Cryptocracy, where ground zero meets the zero hour in a bestial crucible of ritual murder, human alchemy and demonic invasion.

Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare takes the reader to the core of a cosmic cryptogram, a dark Oz where the ancient fables become modern memes for the psychological contagion and devastation of humanity, and where the stratagem the author terms "Revelation of the Method" becomes the key to the finale of the mysteries of the ages.



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That's a lot of good information. We have been, and are totally being manipulated from the top. It has been for generations, upon generations.. I am curious though, do you think, or are you of the opinion the NWO has moved into the realm of biologically engineered "monsters" used for nefarious means?

No doubt we are the sheeple in their eyes, but what is the end result with the critters?
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Hi SKL,

That's a lot of good information. We have been, and are totally being manipulated from the top. It has been for generations, upon generations.. I am curious though, do you think, or are you of the opinion the NWO has moved into the realm of biologically engineered "monsters" used for nefarious means?

No doubt we are the sheeple in their eyes, but what is the end result with the critters?


Sancho,

Glad you asked as well as stopped by, and I will be adding more and more to this thread as I dig deeper and as well expound upon the original post.

I think "monsters" was a good analogy your brought to it, because these men who are doing it are the monster, and they are blaming society as the culprit, blaming shadows, monsters, and boogeymen on things and events happening, and the phrase New World Order is appropriate here, in that you brought it up, not that it is correct, however.

Quote from : [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order]Wikipedia : New World Order[/url

I]n conspiracy theory, the term “New World Order” or “NWO” refers to the emergence of a bureaucratic collectivist one-world government.

The common theme in conspiracy theories about a New World Order is that a powerful and secretive elite of globalists is conspiring to eventually rule the world through an autonomous world government, which would replace sovereign nation-states and other checks and balances in international power struggles. Significant occurrences in politics and finance are speculated to be caused by an extremely influential cabal operating through many front organizations.

Numerous historical and current events are seen as steps in an on-going plot to achieve world domination through secret political gatherings and decision-making processes.

Prior to the early 1990s, New World Order conspiracism was limited to two subcultures, primarily the militantly anti-government right, and secondarily Christian fundamentalists concerned with end-time emergence of the Antichrist.

Skeptics, such as political scientist Michael Barkun, have expressed concern that right-wing conspiracy theories about a New World Order have now not only been embraced by many left-wing conspiracy theorists but have seeped into popular culture, thereby inaugurating an unrivaled period of people actively preparing for apocalyptic millenarian scenarios in the United States of the late 20th and early 21st centuries.

They warn that this development may not only fuel lone wolf terrorism but have devastating effects on American political life, such as the rise of an insurrectionary national-anarchist movement capable of subverting the established political powers.


The "New World Order" has been nothing but a sham, a game of Three Card Monte, or a shell game, and we are the victims of hucksters.

If you remember the simple game from childhood, called Telephone, or Chinese Whispers, or whatever version you remember, you will follow along quite well.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Chinese Whispers

In the game variously known as Chinese whispers,Telephone, Broken Telephone, Whisper Down the Lane, Gossip, Arab Phone (from the French Le téléphone arabe), and Stille Post (Silent Post), the first player whispers a phrase or sentence to the next player.

Each player successively whispers what that player believes he or she heard to the next. The last player announces the statement to the entire group.

Errors typically accumulate in the retellings, so the statement announced by the last player differs significantly, and often amusingly, from the one uttered by the first.

The game is often played by children as a party game or in the playground.

It is often invoked as a metaphor for cumulative error, especially the inaccuracies as rumours or gossip spread, or, more generally, for the unreliability of human recollection.

In the United States, "Telephone" is the most common name for the game.

The name "Chinese whispers" reflects the former stereotype in Europe of the Chinese language as being incomprehensible.

It is little-used in the United States and may be considered offensive.

It remains the common British name for the game.


Sancho, MissA, think of it like this if you will, if the Government started a rumor tomorrow that tomatoes were going to become extinct, how would you react?

You might panic, plant seeds, or make a phone call, right?

Most people will panic, at anything the Government says might and or will happen.

If the rumor is spread, especially from the President's lips himself (think Bush's speech mentioning the phrase "New World Order", and we are conditioned towards fearing what we do not know, then we tend to panic, and make a phone call, or send an e-mail, or jump on a blog, or even conspiracy theory website, and raise a ruckus about "THAT GODDAMNED NEW WORLD ORDER" and we talk and plan, and conspire and counter-conspire, and talk of revolution, and we end up talking about things, buying more guns, bullets, water and supplies, etc, and we go looking for the traces and ghosts of the New World Order, right?

Well, it is nothing but a sham, perpetrated through rumor, propaganda, and staging a show for the populace, to make us chase our tails, like an idiot dog trying to scratch and imaginary flea that just is not there, we feel the itch, we scratch for it, but never find it.

This is what I would call a double-blind, in that they have you looking in one direction, because you're looking for the boogeyman that's going to crawl out from under your bed, like mommy and daddy told us all, and meanwhile we're fearing the Government is up to something, and we resist it, and they have a reason to get more funding through stopping militia groups, tagging ammunition, raising funding to quell the civilians who might be upset over a perceived "invasion" of a sorts, an invasion of ghosts, ghouls, and goblins.

Illegal Aliens, Boogeymen, and the New World Order, oh my, think about the man behind the curtain in the Wizard of Oz, and you get the message loud and clear, my friend.

The end result is we all get tagged with a biochip, like cattle, sheep, or criminals for something we've not committed, except want our Government run by us, for us, and through us, meanwhile it's being run by shills, shams, and puppets, by Congressmen and Congresswomen, Senators, and Presidents are paid big bucks to lie to us, and accept money through legal bribery which is called lobbying.

You ask what becomes of the critters, guessing you mean us the citizens, we become in essence, just another motherfucking commodity.

Digital slaves, who can have a switch flicked, and instantaneously, we become an outlaw, terrorist, or problem child, to be taken away because they have us through the biochip in that it is connected to money, Social Security card, VIN number, license number, all of the above things I outlined, and there's little to nothing you and I can do about it, except fight it through legislation, because fighting it with a gun and a block of C-4 only makes it happen faster.

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There is a lot of speculations; which I do find validation with that the Elite aren't even human. What you pointed between keeping us "buying" in fear, is also they want to keep us in fear. I have heard they actually feed off of fear, and that can be taken many ways. Most easily seen is that someone thinking in fear thought form is predictable, and can be imho predicted easier.
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There is a lot of speculations; which I do find validation with that the Elite aren't even human. What you pointed between keeping us "buying" in fear, is also they want to keep us in fear. I have heard they actually feed off of fear, and that can be taken many ways. Most easily seen is that someone thinking in fear thought form is predictable, and can be imho predicted easier.


Sancho,

Whether they are human, alien, or monsters, I see them as all three, they are preying upon us as locust swarming across a field.

When you fear, you are more predictable, which is why I am grateful I was taught to never fear what is out there, but to instead keep my wits about me, be aware of my surroundings at all times, and use my brain sitting between my ears and logically figure out what the Hell is going on.

Feeding off of fear is something that a predator does, and these people seem to fit the profile more so than most people, if you ask me.

You should read the book The Secret Life of Houdini: The Making of America's First Superhero.

Houdini figured out that every level of Government, up to and including the White House was infiltrated by financial predators, called spiritualists.

SKL's Amazon Review :

Harry Houdini : The Man, The Myth, The Spy, The Secret Service Agent

A lot of people love reading about Harry Houdini the magician, the Handcuff King the escape artist but did you know that he was a spy & a Secret Service agent?

I can prove it with one book & a few well versed words here.

The book I am talking about is one I am just over half way through & it is entitled "The Secret Life of Houdini : The Making of a Superhero."

This book is awesome & I encourage everyone to read it and enjoy the story of Harry Houdini from beginning to end.

It tells about the man, the myth, the spy, the Secret Service agent who was a performer who made the world love him & his shows & continually conquered his every demon, including his own self loathing while continually re-creating himself for the world at large.

Yes this book still fits into this world of the wide web that is the internet.

The book is all about how all of Harry Houdini's having been a major instigator in World War I in the propaganda & success of America while Harry Houdini, or some may know him better as Ehrich Weiss, a Jewish man who changed his identity to fit better into the world and to better sell himself to the world as an entertainer at large for War World I in the rise of Germany the first time it came to power.

The fact that the book is from archival data and letters both from & to Harry Houdini is what makes this book so intriguing.

Please feel free to enjoy the book & I would love to hear anyone else's opinion & thoughts on this subject.

A lot of people do not know that the Secret Service was a spy agency at one time and was connected to the spy world like the C.I.A., N.S.A., D.I.A. & the rest of the alphabet Intelligent Agencies.

Harry Houdini taught our American Dough Boys how to escape from handcuffs, being tied in ropes, & how to escape from torpedoed ships by being on stage in an ampitheater & having actually being a teacher of the American military.


This book in large part assisted me in putting together many pieces of this puzzle I've posted on because Houdini was one of my favorite magicians.

You see my comment there in the Amazon review about the Secret Service?

That's because of this book below :

The Secret Service: The Hidden History of an Engimatic Agency

Amazon Review :

This new edition of the definitive history of the Secret Service lays bare the 2004 Bush campaign’s political uses of the agency and the new challenges it faces as a branch of the Homeland Security Department, in a post-9/11 world.

Acclaimed scholar of political violence and governmental secrecy Philip Melanson explores the long-hidden workings of the Secret Service since its inception in 1865 and through rigorous research and extensive interviews with former White House staffers and retired agents, uncovers startling facts about the Agency’s role in such traumatic national events as the assassination of JFK and the shooting of President Reagan.

Included, too, are revelations about presidential demands on the agency; the problems of alcoholism, divorce, and burnout among agents; and the Service’s inexplicable failure to develop profiles of potential assassins.

Up-to-date and explosive, this book assails the public image of the Secret Service as a highly professional apolitical organization, exposing the often-detrimental influence that politics exerts on the Agency.


It's a shame that the Secret Service is now subordinate to Homeland Security, I had a lot of respect for what they do.

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SpartanKingLeonidas: I've read your thread, followed each link and watched the video. I am at a loss for words but i do know one thing, i may not be able to respond intelligently like many others, but i have forwarded your entire thread to many friends.

it all makes sense just how deep the evil con of man has entrenched itself in the minds of people. xenophobic.

i myself have only concentrated on certain personal experiences of the fema coffins i found in madison georgia back in 2002 and the underground infrastructure i know exist in the north georgia mountains that i have not ventured beyond.

i've discovered so much on http://www.SHTF411.com that i am in information overload.

thank you for your diligence.
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musselwhite wrote:SpartanKingLeonidas: I've read your thread, followed each link and watched the video. I am at a loss for words but i do know one thing, i may not be able to respond intelligently like many others, but i have forwarded your entire thread to many friends.

it all makes sense just how deep the evil con of man has entrenched itself in the minds of people. xenophobic.

i myself have only concentrated on certain personal experiences of the fema coffins i found in madison georgia back in 2002 and the underground infrastructure i know exist in the north georgia mountains that i have not ventured beyond.

i've discovered so much on http://www.SHTF411.com that i am in information overload.

thank you for your diligence.


musselwhite,

I appreciate your kind words, and as well that you've passed this thread on as you stated.

Please realize, this has taken me thirty years of research, cross-referencing, hypothesizing, and as well skepticism.

We all reply in the level of intelligence, experience, and as well levels of education we bring to the table when it comes to discussions.

You seem intelligent enough to bring a level of maturity and understanding to this conversation.

It is odd, is it not, that the National Charter of the C.I.A. was signed in 1947, the same year as the alleged and supposed Roswell crash.

There is an oddity as well that the National Security Act was signed into law the same year.

National Security Act

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The National Security Act of 1947 (Pub. L. No. 235, 80 Cong., 61 Stat. 496, 50 U.S.C. ch.15) was signed by United States President Harry S. Truman on July 26, 1947, and realigned and reorganized the U.S. Armed Forces, foreign policy, and Intelligence Community apparatus in the aftermath of World War II.

The majority of the provisions of the Act took effect on September 18, 1947, the day after the Senate confirmed James Forrestal as the first Secretary of Defense.

The Act merged the Department of War and the Department of the Navy into the National Military Establishment, headed by the Secretary of Defense.

It was also responsible for the creation of a separate Department of the Air Force from the existing Army Air Forces. Initially, each of the three service secretaries maintained quasi-cabinet status, but the act was amended on August 10, 1949, to assure their subordination to the Secretary of Defense.

At the same time, the NME was renamed as the Department of Defense.

Aside from the military reorganization, the act established the National Security Council, a central place of coordination for national security policy in the executive branch, and the Central Intelligence Agency, the States' first peacetime intelligence agency.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff was officially established under Title II, Section 211 of the original National Security Act of 1947 before Sections 209-214 of Title II were repealed by the law enacting Title 10 and Title 32, United States Code (Act of August 10, 1956, 70A Stat. 676) to replace them.

The act and its changes, along with the Truman Doctrine and the Marshall Plan, were major components of the Truman administration's Cold War strategy.

The bill signing took place aboard Truman's VC-54C presidential aircraft Sacred Cow, the first aircraft used for the role of Air Force One.

So the legislation that created the U.S. Air Force was enacted onboard an Air Force aircraft.


So, the Central Intelligence Agency was signed into existence, and so began the shell games.

Central Intelligence Agency

Quote from : Wikipedia : Central Intelligence Agency

The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is a civilian intelligence agency of the United States government.

It is an independent agency responsible for providing national security intelligence to senior United States policymakers.

It is the successor of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) formed during World War II to coordinate espionage activities between the branches of the United States military.

The 1947 National Security Act established the CIA, affording it "no police or law enforcement functions, either at home or abroad".

One year later, this mandate was expanded to include "sabotage, anti-sabotage, demolition and evacuation measures...subversion [and] assistance to underground resistance movements, guerrillas and refugee liberation movements, and support of indigenous anti-communist elements in threatened countries of the free world".

The CIA's primary function is to collect information about foreign governments, corporations, and individuals, and to advise public policymakers.

The agency conducts covert operations and paramilitary actions, and exerts foreign political influence through its Special Activities Division.

The CIA and its responsibilities changed markedly in 2004.

Before December 2004, the CIA was the main intelligence organization of the US government; it coordinated and oversaw not only its own activities but also the activities of the US Intelligence Community (IC) as a whole.

The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 created the office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), which took over some of the government and IC-wide functions.

The DNI manages the IC and therefore the intelligence cycle.

The functions that moved to the DNI included the preparation of estimates of the consolidated opinion of the 16 IC agencies, and the preparation of briefings for the President of the United States.

Today, the CIA still has a number of functions in common with other countries' intelligence agencies; see Relationships with foreign intelligence agencies.

The CIA's headquarters is in Langley in McLean, unincorporated Fairfax County, Virginia, a few miles west of Washington, DC along the Potomac River.

Sometimes, the CIA is referred to euphemistically in government and military parlance as Other Government Agencies (OGA), particularly when its operations in a particular area are an open secret.

Other terms include The Company and The Agency.


Now look at the dates of those two above quotes, the formations of the C.I.A. and the National Security Act, and compare them with the time frame of the alleged "alien crash" at Roswell.

Roswell U.F.O. Incident

Quote from : Wikipedia : Roswell U.F.O. Incident

The Roswell UFO Incident was the alleged recovery of extra-terrestrial (alien) debris, including corpses, from an object which crashed near Roswell, New Mexico, USA, on or about July 8, 1947.

Since the late 1970s the incident has been the subject of intense controversy and the subject of conspiracy theories as to the true nature of the object which crashed.

The United States military maintains that what was actually recovered was debris from an experimental high-altitude surveillance balloon belonging to a classified program named "Mogul", however many UFO proponents maintain that in fact a crashed alien craft and bodies were recovered, and that the military then engaged in a cover-up.

The incident has turned into a widely known pop culture phenomenon, making the name Roswell synonymous with UFOs. It ranks as one of the most publicized and controversial UFO incidents ever.


July 8th 1947 is the supposed and alleged Roswell crash, and wow, July 26th 1947 the National Security Act is signed into law by Truman.

So, either "aliens" exist, and they covered them up, or the C.I.A. assisted the Government in pulling off one of the most complex and pre-planned psyops, psychological operations, which is still ongoing, either the cover-up, or the psyops, from 1947 to this date today and on until way in the future.

Psychological Operations

Quote from : Wikipedia : Psychological Operations

Psychological Operations (PSYOP, PSYOPS) are techniques used by any set of groups to influence a target audience's value systems, belief systems, emotions, motives, reasoning, or behavior.

PSYOPS are used to induce confessions or reinforce attitudes and behaviors favorable to the originator's objectives, and are sometimes combined with black operations or false flag tactics.

Target audiences can be governments, organizations, groups, and individuals.

The phrase is commonly used by governments who do not wish to use the terms propaganda or brainwashing to refer to their own work because those terms have negative connotations.

The use of such euphemisms for what is in effect "mind control" is itself an example of psychological operations, i.e. using psychological techniques to persuade a large number of people to support something that they wouldn't normally support.


So, that being said, either it was the largest cover-up via Majestic 12, or a shell game.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Majestic 12

Majestic 12 (also known as Majic 12, Majestic Trust, M12, MJ 12, MJ XII or Majority 12) is the purported code name of a secret committee of scientists, military leaders, and government officials, supposedly formed in 1947 by an executive order of U.S. President Harry S Truman (which the FBI has concluded is "completely bogus").

The purpose of the committee was allegedly to investigate UFO activity in the aftermath of the Roswell incident - the purported crash of an alien spaceship near Roswell, New Mexico, in July 1947.

This alleged committee is an important part of the UFO conspiracy theory of an ongoing government cover up of UFO information.


...or...

Quote from : Shell Game

The shell game (also known as Thimblerig, Three shells and a pea, the old army game) is portrayed as a gambling game, but in reality, when a wager for money is made, it is a confidence trick used to perpetrate fraud.

In confidence trick slang, this famous swindle is referred to as a short-con because it is quick and easy to pull off.


I'm leaning heavily towards the second one because I've heard the various rumors, conspiracies, and cover-ups of the Intelligence Community in having blackmailed themselves into power after WWII because of the connections they found to the Nazis through Wall Street.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Blackmail

Blackmail is the crime of threatening to reveal substantially true information about a person to the public, a family member, or associates unless a demand made upon the victim is met.

This information is usually of an embarrassing and/or socially damaging nature.

As the information is substantially true, the act of revealing the information may not be criminal in its own right nor amount to a civil law defamation; the crime is making demands in exchange for withholding it.

English Law creates a much broader definition of blackmail, covering any unwarranted demands with menaces, whether involving revealing information or not.

Blackmail is similar to extortion. The difference is that extortion involves an underlying, independent criminal act, while blackmail does not.

In American slang, "blackmail" can refer to any kind of pressure that is perceived as unfair by the person who is on the receiving end.

For instance, a worker seeking higher pay who threatens to quit his company at a critical moment might be accused by his employer of "blackmail," but such action would not be secret or illegal.

The word is variously derived from the word for tribute (in modern terms, protection money) paid by English and Scottish border dwellers to Border Reivers in return for immunity from raids and other harassment.

This tribute was paid in goods or labour (reditus nigri, or "blackmail"): the opposite is blanche firmes or reditus albi, or "white rent" (denoting payment by silver).

Alternatively Mckay derives it from two Scottish Gaelic words blathaich pronounced (the th silent) bld-aich (to protect} and mal (tribute, payment).

He notes the practice was common in the Highlands of Scotland as well as the Borders.


Anthony C. Sutton comes to mind with all of his books, which tells me this is potentially connected to the order of Skull and Bones.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Skull and Bones : A.K.A. - The Order

Skull and Bones is a secret society at Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut.

The society's alumni organization, which owns the society's real property and oversees the organization, is the Russell Trust Association, named for General William Huntington Russell, who co-founded Skull and Bones with classmate Alphonso Taft.

The Russell Trust was founded by Russell and Daniel Coit Gilman, member of Skull and Bones and later a university president. The society is known informally as "Bones", and members are known as "Bonesmen".

President George H. W. Bush, his son President George W. Bush, and the latter's 2004 Presidential opponent Senator John Kerry are members of Skull and Bones.


Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler

Amazon Review :

This is the third and final volume of a trilogy describing the role of the American corporate socialists, otherwise known as the Wall Street financial elite or the Eastern Liberal Establishment, in three significant twentieth-century historical events: the 1917 Lenin-Trotsky Revolution in Russia, the 1933 election of Franklin D. Roosevelt in the United States, and the 1933 seizure of power by Adolf Hitler in Germany.

Each of these events introduced some variant of socialism into a major country — i.e., Bolshevik socialism in Russia, New Deal socialism in the United States, and National socialism in Germany.

Contemporary academic histories, with perhaps the sole exception of Carroll Quigley's Tragedy And Hope, ignore this evidence.

On the other hand, it is understandable that universities and research organizations, dependent on financial aid from foundations that are controlled by this same New York financial elite, would hardly want to support and to publish research on these aspects of international politics.

The bravest of trustees is unlikely to bite the hand that feeds his organization.

It is also eminently clear from the evidence in this trilogy that "public-spirited businessmen" do not journey to Washington as lobbyists and administrators in order to serve the United States. They are in Washington to serve their own profit-maximizing interests.

Their purpose is not to further a competitive, free-market economy, but to manipulate a politicized regime, call it what you will, to their own advantage.

It is business manipulation of Hitler's accession to power in March 1933 that is the topic of Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler.


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@SpartanKingLeonidas: i took notes on your initial post so i am able to embed it in my mind and will be able to speak intelligently to others. i am taking notes on your most recent post as well. this is the only way i am able to remember. i also copied and pasted your last post and will follow through with emailing to my friends. i believe this to be very important.

un f'ing believable
Now look at the dates of those two above quotes, the formations of the C.I.A. and the National Security Act, and compare them with the time frame of the alleged "alien crash" at Roswell.


i am shaking my head in disbelief; however, there exist mind blowing evidence
So, either "aliens" exist, and they covered them up, or the C.I.A. assisted the Government in pulling off one of the most complex and psyops, psychological operations, which is still ongoing, either the cover-up, or the psyops, from 1947 to this date today and on until way in the future.


thank you, i'm going back to write in my journal so i can remember.

you are my hero! :smile:
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Post Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:29 pm

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musselwhite wrote:@SpartanKingLeonidas: i took notes on your initial post so i am able to embed it in my mind and will be able to speak intelligently to others. i am taking notes on your most recent post as well. this is the only way i am able to remember. i also copied and pasted your last post and will follow through with emailing to my friends. i believe this to be very important.

un f'ing believable
Now look at the dates of those two above quotes, the formations of the C.I.A. and the National Security Act, and compare them with the time frame of the alleged "alien crash" at Roswell.


i am shaking my head in disbelief; however, there exist mind blowing evidence
So, either "aliens" exist, and they covered them up, or the C.I.A. assisted the Government in pulling off one of the most complex and psyops, psychological operations, which is still ongoing, either the cover-up, or the psyops, from 1947 to this date today and on until way in the future.


thank you, i'm going back to write in my journal so i can remember.

you are my hero! :smile:


musselwhite,

Not sure about hero there. :blink:

But I'll take well-researched conspiracy theorist. :coolthumb:

I added to after editing, quite a substantial bit more to the last post, so be sure to re-read it. :shifty:

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thanks. went back and did another copy/paste job. wonderful thread! wealth of information. eye opener, mind blowing, lots of ammo.

granny over and out!
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Post Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:33 pm

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musselwhite wrote:thanks. went back and did another copy/paste job. wonderful thread! wealth of information. eye opener, mind blowing, lots of ammo.

granny over and out!


musselwhite,

Thank you for the compliment.

I just found this YouTube Channel, for I.B.M. and the Holocaust.

Here are a bunch of videos that may scare the shit out of you. Think about what I said in answer to Sancho's post though, about the New World Order being a double-blind.

Edwin Black : I.B.M. and the Holocaust


Edwin Black: IBM & the Holocaust - Smoking Gun Documents


One Mainframe To Rule Them All : IBM, Verichip & The Human Microchipping Agenda : Part 1 of 5


One Mainframe To Rule Them All : IBM, Verichip & The Human Microchipping Agenda : Part 2 of 5


One Mainframe To Rule Them All : IBM, Verichip & The Human Microchipping Agenda : Part 3 of 5


One Mainframe To Rule Them All : IBM, Verichip & The Human Microchipping Agenda : Part 4 of 5


One Mainframe To Rule Them All : IBM, Verichip & The Human Microchipping Agenda : Part 5 of 5


Premeditated Illegal Search & Seizure? The ARPANET/Internet

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well, i've been taking notes throughout the day between painting. Houdini (Elrich Weiss) a spy and secret agent man; revealing in the book "the making of a superhero" that all levels of government including white house infiltrated by financial predators! an instigator of WW1!!!!!!! teacher of our military in escape artist techniques!

question: do you think hollywood plays a role in psyops? i just want to confirm what i already suspect. remember wag the dog?
The Hegelian dialectic is the framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts that lead us to a predetermined solution. If we do not understand how the Hegelian dialectic shapes our perceptions of the world, then we do not know how we are helping to implement the vision. When we remain locked into dialectical thinking, we cannot see out of the box.
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm

the hidden history of the engimatic agency referencing the bush junior campaign and his political use of the secret service. i did not realize that dhs was post 9/11 (but that would stand to reason). i had an feeling the secret service played a role in jfk but ronald reagan. what is your take on john hinckley, jr.? was he a part of psychological operations?

so the majestic 12 and/or shell game (thimblerig - military game of 3 shells and a pea) - a confidence man's short-con! hart to call on this one. let's put a pea under three shells or just flip a coin it all will come out the same, wouldn't you say?

i am laughing at how the intelligence community blackmailed themselves into power thru their knowledge of nazi and wall street.

now we have wall streets financial elite or eastern liberal establishment. lenin, roosevelt and hitler's rise to power 1/30/33 and all these supposed business men travelling to washington for the people! ha ha ha ha. greed. it's all about the money and they wanted hitler's business.

in comes IBM. IBM committed genocide. co-planned, organized millions of people's death. rfid.

i am mentally exhausted. i have about 3 more videos to go. i've seen similar videos you posted under other threads. but i intend to go over ALL.

i could use a stiff drink.

i am not finished with you yet. just need a breather. :star5:
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Post Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:02 pm

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musselwhite wrote:well, i've been taking notes throughout the day between painting. Houdini (Elrich Weiss) a spy and secret agent man; revealing in the book "the making of a superhero" that all levels of government including white house infiltrated by financial predators! an instigator of WW1!!!!!!! teacher of our military in escape artist techniques!


Yes, Houdini was a master of many more things that Prestigitation. :shifty:

musselwhite wrote:question: do you think hollywood plays a role in psyops? i just want to confirm what i already suspect. remember wag the dog?
The Hegelian dialectic is the framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts that lead us to a predetermined solution. If we do not understand how the Hegelian dialectic shapes our perceptions of the world, then we do not know how we are helping to implement the vision. When we remain locked into dialectical thinking, we cannot see out of the box.
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm


You never read my thread on Hollywood and Psyops, over there? (ATS)

Yes, they are fully a part of it, but in a passive means.

Meaning, they take historical movies, and switch minor details.

Sometimes, the re-write "History" completely, and people who do not pay attention to history who take more into account of movies, thinking they are on the money have been suckered into giving their money, and leave with a head full of nonsense that's not true, nor is it "history".

I think inside the box, outside the box, and smash the box and start over.

musselwhite wrote:the hidden history of the engimatic agency referencing the bush junior campaign and his political use of the secret service. i did not realize that dhs was post 9/11 (but that would stand to reason). i had an feeling the secret service played a role in jfk but ronald reagan. what is your take on john hinckley, jr.? was he a part of psychological operations?


Reagan was shot by the man sent by George H.W. Bush, it was a sloppy attempt at a coup, to get into the White House sooner.

I think he was sent via the Bush family, end of story.

musselwhite wrote:so the majestic 12 and/or shell game (thimblerig - military game of 3 shells and a pea) - a confidence man's short-con! hart to call on this one. let's put a pea under three shells or just flip a coin it all will come out the same, wouldn't you say?


Not if the pea was never under the shell and you're betting your last $20.

And not if the coin is a two-headed coin, and you were suckered into believing a lie, and the lie costs you everything.

musselwhite wrote:i am laughing at how the intelligence community blackmailed themselves into power thru their knowledge of nazi and wall street.

now we have wall streets financial elite or eastern liberal establishment. lenin, roosevelt and hitler's rise to power 1/30/33 and all these supposed business men travelling to washington for the people! ha ha ha ha. greed. it's all about the money and they wanted hitler's business.

in comes IBM. IBM committed genocide. co-planned, organized millions of people's death. rfid.


Yes, political blackmail, the connections to Hitler's Third Reich reached into deep pockets on Wall Street, and I think September 11th was a Covert Intelligence fundraiser as well.

musselwhite wrote:i am mentally exhausted. i have about 3 more videos to go. i've seen similar videos you posted under other threads. but i intend to go over ALL.

i could use a stiff drink.

i am not finished with you yet. just need a breather. :star5:


Take your time and come back to read this tread anytime.

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Wow SKL, that's a whole bunch of info to absorb. I'll have to go back again to reorganize all the twists and turns included in your fantastic thread. Thanks to you for being diligent, patient and for scrutinizing the playing field. I surely have not done the work you have, but because of your deep interest and research, my intuitive senses are reconfirmed. How on earth do you find the time to correllate all of the links, books, videos and articles into a cohesive theory? It must have taken you most of your waking life to expose the plot as it makes sense to you.

One thought stands out for me. How did the entanglement itself develop as a method to massively confuse everyone? As you pointed out, it took you 30 years to untangle the mess. It must have taken at least twice that amount of time for "them" to figure out how to implement the plot and get the ball rolling. How do they (them) keep everything straight and the ball rolling toward complete domination without frakking up the intricate details imperitive to the successful end they envision?
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Hazelnut wrote:Wow SKL, that's a whole bunch of info to absorb. I'll have to go back again to reorganize all the twists and turns included in your fantastic thread. Thanks to you for being diligent, patient and for scrutinizing the playing field. I surely have not done the work you have, but because of your deep interest and research, my intuitive senses are reconfirmed. How on earth do you find the time to correllate all of the links, books, videos and articles into a cohesive theory? It must have taken you most of your waking life to expose the plot as it makes sense to you.

One thought stands out for me. How did the entanglement itself develop as a method to massively confuse everyone? As you pointed out, it took you 30 years to untangle the mess. It must have taken at least twice that amount of time for "them" to figure out how to implement the plot and get the ball rolling. How do they (them) keep everything straight and the ball rolling toward complete domination without frakking up the intricate details imperitive to the successful end they envision?


Hazelnut,

I appreciate the kudos for what I see as my life's work in uncovering the plots, conspiracy theories, and mythos of lies that the Government will sell to us as a public they see as a threat.

I read an immense amount of data, books, stories, I hear whispered rumors, speak with other conspiracy theorists firsthand (in person), and I dig deep, some of it is easy enough, looking up research information in the library in the reference section, checking out regular books, buying books, looking up and cross-referencing things that are going on, following politics like I was a dying man in the desert and knowledge was my only source of nourishing water.

One minor advantage, yes I said minor, I am that confident, is that the Government has think-tanks, literally organizations that are paid to sit around conference tables and organize data, match it up with ongoing plans, operations, and projects, both private and military.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Think-Tank

A think tank (also called a policy institute) is an organization, institute, corporation, group, or individual that conducts research and engages in advocacy in areas such as social policy, political strategy, economy, science or technology issues, industrial or business policies, or military advice.

Many think tanks are non-profit organizations, which some countries such as the United States and Canada provide with tax exempt status.

While many think tanks are funded by governments, interest groups, or businesses, some think tanks also derive income from consulting or research work related to their mandate.

There are different opinions about think tanks; supporters like the National Institute for Research Advancement, itself a think tank, hail them as "one of the main policy actors in democratic societies ..., assuring a pluralistic, open and accountable process of policy analysis, research, decision-making and evaluation".

Others consider the term to be a euphemism for lobbying groups.


One Washington think-tank was the Project for the New American Century, the one that manipulated America into the Iraq War.

Wikipedia : Project for the New American Century

The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was an American think tank based in Washington, D.C. that lasted from early 1997 to 2006.

It was co-founded as a non-profit educational organization by conservatives William Kristol and Robert Kagan.

The PNAC's stated goal was "to promote American global leadership."

Fundamental to the PNAC were the view that "American leadership is both good for America and good for the world" and support for "a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity."

The PNAC exerted influence on high-level U.S. government officials in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush and affected the Bush Administration's development of military and foreign policies, especially involving national security and the Iraq War.


All of this apparently quite legal, immoral, unethical, and quite cut-throat, but legal nonetheless.

I have quite literally been kicking ass and taking no prisoners for thirty years now, since I was six years old, and I am fast catching up to their crooked asses.

Look at the list of name on P.N.A.C., it is a veritable list of who's who in Washington D.C., I suggest you copy and paste it to a Microsoft Word document, in case Wikipedia ever edits it out.

Quote from Wikipedia : Project for the New American Century

Persons associated with the PNAC

Project directors

[as listed on the PNAC website:]

* William Kristol, Co-founder and Chairman[1]
* Robert Kagan, Co-founder[1]
* Bruce P. Jackson[1]



* Mark Gerson[1]
* Randy Scheunemann[1]

Project staff

* Ellen Bork, Deputy Director[1]
* Gary Schmitt, Senior Fellow[1][50]
* Thomas Donnelly, Senior Fellow[1]



* Reuel Marc Gerecht, Senior Fellow[1]
* Mitch Jackson, Senior Fellow
* Timothy Lehmann, Assistant Director[1]
* Michael Goldfarb, Research Associate[1]

Former directors and staff

* Daniel McKivergan, Deputy Director[51]

Signatories to Statement of Principles

* Elliott Abrams[5]
* Gary Bauer[5]
* William J. Bennett[5]
* John Ellis "Jeb" Bush[5]
* Richard B. Cheney[5]
* Eliot A. Cohen[5]
* Midge Decter[5]
* Paula Dobriansky[5]
* Steve Forbes[5]
* Aaron Friedberg[5]
* Francis Fukuyama[5]
* Frank Gaffney[5]
* Fred C. Ikle[5]



* Donald Kagan[5]
* Zalmay Khalilzad[5]
* I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby[5]
* Norman Podhoretz[5]
* J. Danforth Quayle[5]
* Peter W. Rodman[5]
* Stephen P. Rosen[5]
* Henry S. Rowen[5]
* Donald Rumsfeld[5]
* Vin Weber[5]
* George Weigel[5]
* Paul Wolfowitz[5]


That one name, J Danforth Quayle, that's Dan Quayle, former Vice President, all the rest should be familiar to some extent.

No, I am not stating P.N.A.C. is directly correlated to this particular thread, just using it as an example of a think-tank.

I have been called a Walking Wikipedia, a one-man think-tank, and robot because of my dedication to research.

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Hazelnut wrote:Well I am impressed with your research and dedication. Personally, when I get so far into the research presented there comes a point when I become unable to process effectively. I get confused. I can see that there is a goal, the goal of dominance, but the workings of that goal are so huge and far-strung that it gets fuzzy in my mind.

There are so many links or dots to connect that certainly make sense when presented together which point in a certain direction.

I find it discouraging to realize that the plan is so far advanced, nearly to completion as the walls close in around us. Then I get depressed thinking about the massive amounts of information that contain partial truths, half-truths and blatant lies. Sorting it all out is exhausting.

Bless you my friend for doing what you know in your heart is right.

The cold hard fact that in an instant my dossier will be available to any faction of the PTB should I raise even a minimal amount of suspicion, and that dossier can be manipulated to make it appear that I am somthing I am not, causes me to simultaneously feel murderous rage and a defeatist's mentality.


Hazelnut,

I am both saddened as well as happy to hear your story, amidst this particular topic, saddened because it something that should not be, and happy because I know how to assist you in getting past that, and thank you as well for the compliment.

Yes, there are many, many links and dots, as many as the grains of sand on a beach, they intentionally cast them to the four corners of the world, knowing people cannot usually process that much information, as well as usually lose interest easily, or only suspect tiny pieces, and are distracted by the shiny baubles of the world, their football games, their work schedule, etc ad naseum.

Please, do not feel discouraged, it is a large plan, and can become overwhelming, but it should not be.

I have studied hard for this test, for that's what this is, a test of wills, a test of wits, and a test of ethics.

Your statement about the dossier is what makes these assholes so powerful though, they count on people being fearful, almost subservient, and as well to not question authority nor it's alleged benevolence.

Defeat?

Why accept defeat, or allow a defeatist's attitude sink in? You have been through much, this stuff is easy as Hell, if you only accept that you can change it, and you can defeat them, by thinking, researching independently, and as well sharing your information with others.

I will not accept defeat until I am buried six feet under, buried face down, so the world can kiss my God-damned ass goodbye.

Your last sentence is telling, in that you know some of what I know, that once this plan is implemented, it will not be a simple dossier they can red-flag you as a troublemaker, or a person of interest, it will be the R.F.I.D. implanted chip, and all they need to do is flip a switch, and you are a person of interest, a pedophile, or a terrorist, no questions asked.

To top it all off once this is implemented, it will be connected to your credit card systems, cell phone tracking, drivers license, VIN number, Social Security number, any and all numbers you have to now remember, because part of their game plan is to make you literally ask for it, because we as a society have become so inundated with numbers, confusing I.R.S. documents and laws (those are all a part of it, look to the Healthcare Bill to connect to the I.R.S.) that we as a society have become overwhelmed with all this bullshit, that we will easily accept something that makes life easier, often without thought or consideration of the implications.

This "Bailout Package" and the struggling economy is a part of it as well, collapse the American dollar, and usher in the system that will replace it.

All of what I have explained in this thread so far and as well in the future is connected to and directly or indirectly influence due in part to Hollywood.

Logans Run


Minority Report


Notice the two videos there, Logans Runs and Minority Report, the span of time of those two particular movies, and the similarities, most people would have looked past them as being similar, but in fact they are almost identical in nature and action, just some of the sub-plot and details are different, but the overall emphasis is the same, You Cannot Run From The Government.

Amazon Review : Logans Run

If you can stifle the urge to laugh at its pastel unisex costumes and futuristic shopping-mall décor, this extravagant science fiction film from 1976 is still visually fascinating and provocatively entertaining.

Set in the year 2274, when ecological disaster has driven civilization to the protection of domed cities, the story revolves around a society that holds a ceremonial death ritual for all citizens who reach the age of 30.

In a diseaseless city where free sex is encouraged and old age is virtually unknown, Logan (Michael York) is a "sandman," one who enforces this radical method of population control (but he's about to turn 30 and he doesn't want to die).

Escaping from the domed city via a network of underground passages, Logan is joined by another "runner" named Jessica (Jenny Agutter), while his former sandman partner (Richard Jordan) is determined to terminate Logan's rebellion.

Using a variety of splendid matte paintings and miniatures, Logan's Run earned a special Oscar for visual effects (images of a long-abandoned Washington, D.C., are particularly impressive), and in addition to fine performances by Jordan and Peter Ustinov, the film features '70s poster babe Farrah Fawcett in a cheesy supporting role.

Jerry Goldsmith's semi-electronic score is still one of the prolific composer's best, and Logan's Run remains an interesting example of '70s sci-fi that preceded Star Wars by less than a year.

--Jeff Shannon


...and...

Amazon Review : Minority Report

Set in the chillingly possible future of 2054, Steven Spielberg's Minority Report is arguably the most intelligently provocative sci-fi thriller since Blade Runner.

Like Ridley Scott's "future noir" classic, Spielberg's gritty vision was freely adapted from a story by Philip K. Dick, with its central premise of "Precrime" law enforcement, totally reliant on three isolated human "precogs" capable (due to drug-related mutation) of envisioning murders before they're committed.

As Precrime's confident captain, Tom Cruise preempts these killings like a true action hero, only to run for his life when he is himself implicated in one of the precogs' visions.

Inspired by the brainstorming of expert futurists, Spielberg packs this paranoid chase with potential conspirators (Max Von Sydow, Colin Farrell), domestic tragedy, and a heartbreaking precog pawn (Samantha Morton), while Cruise's performance gains depth and substance with each passing scene.

Making judicious use of astonishing special effects, Minority Report brilliantly extrapolates a future that's utterly convincing, and too close for comfort.

--Jeff Shannon


But here's the kicker, you cannot necessarily run, but you can beat the system, by using it against itself.

Which is what I know how to do. :shifty:

I highly suggest you either rent both of these, if you have not already seen them, or go to your library and check them out.

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How does one find a chip and get it out, theoretically?
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