Do we need a revolution? [poll & discussion]

Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:32 am by petblue77

I think we need a revelution obviously. However violence births more violence. Heart, and soul is of more importance for true revelution. Revelution should mean change of direction. The world is going in the wrong direction, and needs to turn around. How many times have we seen dictators rise in the name of revolution? And all this changes nothing, but these dictators leads into more captivity. They will always end up leading the revelation.

For starters I think we should awaken as many people as possible. Right now people are waking up by the masses. I honestly don't think a revelution will work in the long term. However I think revolting would be a better word.

I am more into thinking about preparedness, and awakening as many as I can. I think peace, truth, love, and patience is very important also.

Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:35 am by CheesecakeLarry

petblue77 wrote:I think we need a revelution obviously. However violence births more violence. Heart, and soul is of more importance for true revelution. Revelution should mean change of direction. The world is going in the wrong direction, and needs to turn around. How many times have we seen dictators rise in the name of revolution? And all this changes nothing, but these dictators leads into more captivity. They will always end up leading the revelation.

For starters I think we should awaken as many people as possible. Right now people are waking up by the masses. I honestly don't think a revelution will work in the long term. However I think revolting would be a better word.

I am more into thinking about preparedness, and awakening as many as I can. I think peace, truth, love, and patience is very important also.

A noble first post. Welcome.
-Obama bow-

Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:36 pm by ExMislTech

DeerCrusher wrote:What’s with this Gandhi shit?

Well part of the deal with him is that once he got his ppl onboard with his plan it worked.

India managed to drop the yoke of the British Empire via peaceful means.

Not many have got to say that.

The Brits held Hong Kong for 150 years and will pay dearly for that in the future is my guess.

Here in the US we are a much more violent oriented society, it is in our top sports.

Here we will likely get the blood bath you feel we "need".

The problem is more tyrants will likely take the place of the current groups.

We can just hope for a new and improved version 2.0 of humans capacity for corruption.

Take the Oathkeepers for example, they got a few thousand members.

They are not going to stand up to anything and win, they will just die as martyrs.

I admire their courage but it will not see them through to their goal.

All these ppl are just getting their names added to the lists just like
it happened in Germany several decades ago.

Think MIAC report, this has all happened before.

My message is prepare for violence, but do not embrace it, and if you
think the marionettes of the banksters will not call for UN troops you
are sorely mistaken.

This country is broke and basically in receivership in their eyes, and
they plan on carving it up like the Christmas Turkey once the bottom
falls out and Great Depression #2 sets in.

They did it in the past, and the Robber Barons are going to do it again.

The masses of the sheep will bleat and stampede each other, but they
are not a cohesive force, hell most high school seniors when tested
cannot pass basic tests of English, Math, Science, History, and Geography.

Over a million ppl showed up for the 9-12 protests and the Dems
still Rahm'd thru the healthcare fiasco in the House.

They could give a damn.

I do not see how we will get anything better out of all that is coming.

It is why I say prepare for long term survival.

Good odds ppl are going to need it.

Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:30 pm by warrenb

After the Revolution
a poem by Adam Kokesh

http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DXo0wVfpA-3s

Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:17 pm by warrenb

I ♥ Hactivists: One Click Away From Revolution

Hactivisim: Words AS War, Not Words FOR War
Information War - Groups of Nation States are not going to be able to close out Civil Society activists, and should stop trying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D3mKyjdKdr6c

Tue Dec 08, 2009 6:52 am by TracerBullet

The social revolution is seriously compromised if it comes through a political revolution. - Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:43 am by Sancho

petblue77 wrote:I think we need a revelution obviously. However violence births more violence. Heart, and soul is of more importance for true revelution. Revelution should mean change of direction. The world is going in the wrong direction, and needs to turn around. How many times have we seen dictators rise in the name of revolution? And all this changes nothing, but these dictators leads into more captivity. They will always end up leading the revelation.

For starters I think we should awaken as many people as possible. Right now people are waking up by the masses. I honestly don't think a revelution will work in the long term. However I think revolting would be a better word.

I am more into thinking about preparedness, and awakening as many as I can. I think peace, truth, love, and patience is very important also.

I would agree with cheesecakelarry, great first post! You're Spot On with peace, truth(perception of), **love**, and patience. I think patience is extremely important, and only attainable through love.

Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:52 pm by frostback

Ocker wrote:You guys need to do something your debt is way out of control. The US is still spending your tax money in foreign countries.

And the US has no possible means of debt relief in the near future

Ocker

I have to agree with Ocker on this.
I live North of the longest unguarded boarder in the world,I have a lot of respect for America and the principals she was was founded on .
But you have allowed your leaders puppet masters to hijack the country,It's like most of you have been asleep at the switch (present company excluded )
I'm afraid that at this point it's to late for a revolution at least in the terms most of you are talking about.By this I mean the Chinese will be waiting to claim there outstanding debt from whom ever is left standing down there.Unfortunately when the dust settles whoever is left will in reality be slaves to the new owners weather it's China, or newly ceded state dictators/warlords. Sure this may sound extreme but in my humble opinion you are rapidly running out of options.

There has to be a fundemental shift in thinking down there , you need to get back to what made you great in the first place ,ingenuity and hard work ,
if the revolution that IS coming isn't of a peaceful nature, I know , I know most of you don't think that that will be effective ,but if it turns into civil war
TPTB are going to have to call in there masters to clean up.

I have to say that as a Canadian I would welcome the cold ,hungry downtrodden masses that would pour across our boarded, I only have one rule ,
BE NICE OR GO HOME! :cheers:

So I guess I would say yes to the poll .
2 cents from the outside looking in.

Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:02 pm by Hazelnut

What we need is an internal awakening that allows for differences in perspectives while maintaining personal responsibility for life and limb. We need a return to family and community and willingness to break a sweat in harmony with all living creatures while incorporating the eternal wisdom of compromise.

Overthrowing anything leads to a re-establishment of the same thing dressed differently. Revolution is a new power seeking to overthrow an existing power. Not exactly a new or revolutionary idea at all.

Mon Dec 21, 2009 6:34 pm by jvthundercat

Although it would be the best, I think non-violent is a pipedream. We are after all talking about taking Progessive Librials out of Power. You know, the one's that usually have no guns, but blow up stuff for their collective causes. We can vote them out starting in one year. This will help from progressing any further except with executive powers being almost unlimited anymore, it will keep getting worse.
The other problem of just voting them out, is they will not reverse the damage done. They will not give up any power handed one from the next.
I think a clean start based on our Constitution with only human rights items added to the Bill of Rights should be done. The laws are too many. The laws are heavily slanted towards the ever living Corporation, and not the Individual.

Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:16 pm by JupX

Yes we do, but right now the US needs to get there shit together, i think at this point with the war, and other issues we need to bring everyone back home before starting one, seeing that the stress level like that on the country would possibly do more damage then good. Now bring everyone back home, say we keep our nose out of everythings ass then go to town on fixing our issues...

What ever type you think you can choose its going to be a violent one, no matter what someone does your always going to have people going for the extreme in either case on both sides.

Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:35 am by musselwhite

hell yes we need a revolution -

Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:25 pm by pack3tg0st

musselwhite wrote:hell yes we need a revolution -

I still agree with what I said six months ago... (odd, I know hahaha)

But a revolution will only replace one bad system with another bad system...

A revolution requires structure... ranks, power heirarcy etc.

To revolt, will mean that the current bad government will be toppled... and be replaced with whatever power structure 'won' the revolution.

We need to 'evolve' our way out of this mess... not fight our way out.

Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:03 pm by warrenb

@pack
IMHO, yes evolve out of it but in order to do that we need to punish those accountable for their misdeeds...
Humanity v2.0 sort of thing

but to get there we need to do "certain" things one of which is getting rid of the current hierarchy of power that is held over humanity by a few lecherous vampire elitists. I say vampire because they suck the life out of the rest of us so they can live like gods.

I for one would welcome a future that includes toga wearing and truly open public forums
:cheers:

ps. toga's are just cool mkay...
:wink:

Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:11 pm by musselwhite

pack3tg0st wrote:
musselwhite wrote:hell yes we need a revolution -

I still agree with what I said six months ago... (odd, I know hahaha)

But a revolution will only replace one bad system with another bad system...

A revolution requires structure... ranks, power heirarcy etc.

To revolt, will mean that the current bad government will be toppled... and be replaced with whatever power structure 'won' the revolution.

We need to 'evolve' our way out of this mess... not fight our way out.

Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:18 pm by pack3tg0st

warrenb wrote:@pack
IMHO, yes evolve out of it but in order to do that we need to punish those accountable for their misdeeds...
Humanity v2.0 sort of thing

There's no greater 'punishment' than having them slowly watch their power ursurped by the public... and then becoming marginalized...

but to get there we need to do "certain" things one of which is getting rid of the current hierarchy of power that is held over humanity by a few lecherous vampire elitists. I say vampire because they suck the life out of the rest of us so they can live like gods.

So... stop giving them what they need....

A government is only as powerful as the people who give them power...

If everyone tomorrow chose to ignore the government, they'd stomp their feet a bit, but would ultimately fade away...

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