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Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty?

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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:01 pm

Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty?

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On October 14, Lord Christopher Monckton gave a presentation in St. Paul, MN on the subject of global warming. In this 4-minute excerpt from his speech, he issues a dire warning to all Americans regarding the United Nations Climate Change Treaty that is scheduled to be signed in Copenhagen in December 2009.

A world government is going to be created. The purpose is the transfer of wealth from the countries of the West to Third World countries, in satisfaction of what is called, coyly, "a climate debt," because we have been burning CO2 and they haven't and we've been screwing up the climate.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40

A draft of the treaty can be read here:

http://www.globalclimatescam.com/docume ... n-2009.pdf

Chuck Norris has an article in WorldNetDaily with a good analysis of the treaty:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=114005

There has been considerable debate raised about Monckton's conclusion that the Copenhagen Treaty would cede US sovereignty. His comments appear to be based upon his interpretation of the The Supremacy Clause in the US Constitution (Article VI, paragraph 2). This clause establishes the Constitution, Federal Statutes, and U.S. TREATIES as the supreme law of the land. Concerns have been raised in the past that a particularly ambitious treaty may supersede the US Constitution. In the 1950s, a constitutional amendment, known as the Bricker Amendment, was proposed in response to such fears, but it failed to pass. You can read more about the Bricker Amendment in a 1953 Time Magazine article:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... -1,00.html

Lord Monckton served as a policy adviser to Margaret Thatcher. He has repeatedly challenged Al Gore to a debate to which Gore has refused. Monckton sued to stop Gore's film "An Inconvenient Truth" from being shown in British schools due to its inaccuracies. The judge found in-favor of Monckton, ordering 9 serious errors in the film to be corrected. Lord Monckton travels internationally in an attempt to educate the public about the myth of global warming.

UPDATE:

Check-out this story from the 10/29/09 Wall Street Journal:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... #printMode
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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:10 pm

Re: Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty?

It certainly looks that way. I listened to Lord Monckton on Glenn Beck's radio program a couple of weeks ago and he made a very good case for the possibility. I think it's Obama's intention to make sure that he brings us down from a super power, to one that is on a level playing field with everyone else. No matter what the repercussions are for us.

His perceptions of how we should be, are going to be the downfall of America.

Just my humble opinion.
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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:47 pm

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Change. :bomb:
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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:00 pm

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soldiermom wrote:His perceptions of how we should be, are going to be the downfall of America.


Don't go blaming one guy for the "downfall" of America...

The fact of the matter is... we all share equal responsibility for the future, and direction of the country.

You're just using Obama as a scapegoat.
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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:44 pm

Re: Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty?

Since he's the one that will be signing the papers to make it all nice and legal, I think it's safe to say, "He's totally to blame!"

Yes, there have been stepping stones of corruption leading up to this moment (several previous presidents come to mind) but he's in the big chair now and the buck stops with him.
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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:49 pm

Re: Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty?

But, he's only acting with your consent...

Thats what people find difficult to grasp...

A government requires the people's consent or complacency to operate...
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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:58 pm

Re: Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty?

Since he believes that the last election gives him cart blanche to do as he sees fit and all disagreeing voices are squashed, not seeing how we have any say in the matter. Unless we start legal action against him we are screwed. Even if we replaced all of congress the treaty says we need permission from all other signatories to leave said treaty, so even if then we would be stuck or we could find ourselves in a battle with the UN.


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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:58 pm

Re: Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty?

This was never put to a vote by the people. Most people aren't even aware of it. This is all being done behind the scenes by corrupt politicians who have achieved their prominence by rigged voting machines or buying their seats in CON-gress. There is a shadow government that is already global. They just need the individual "governments" to be coerced into compliance.

If you have any suggestions for how to stop this, I'm open to suggestion.
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Every government requires the permission or the complacency of its people to operate...

Even if he is acting outside the majorities wishes, the fact of the matter is that the government is legit because the People think its legit...

Without our consent, the government is just a few hundred people gathered in buildings...

Thats not so much to be feared is it? a couple hundred old guys?

Granted, they think they're important... but in the grand scheme of things, they're just like us...

They designed the game... and have set the rules to favor them...

But, each individual still gets to decide if they want to play or not...

If enough individuals decide they don't want to play anymore... the legitamacy of the government is successfully usurped.
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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:10 pm

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Being somewhat dense, I missed the part where that translates into a suggestion. Are you intimating that we quit our jobs, quit paying taxes, quit buying stuff? Some of us have already taken that step. Or did you have something else in mind?
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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:18 pm

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pack3tg0st wrote:Every government requires the permission or the complacency of its people to operate...


What about "I'll buy anything your selling, hook line and sinker"?

Crowd, power of authority and peer psychology are at play on the minds of sheep of the world.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTOwE3hnEWk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmwSC5fS40w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcvSNg0HZwk

Too many people let others do their thinking for them.
....wears a uniform, has a fancy title or Phd then must know whats right.

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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:26 pm

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"Too many people let others do their thinking for them.
....wears a uniform, has a fancy title or Phd then must know whats right."

I've worked with doctors too long to fall for that one. Even if they do know more than you it doesn't mean they have your best interests at heart. (And too many times they DON'T know more than you do-or don't act like they do).
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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:15 pm

Re: Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty?

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soldiermom wrote:His perceptions of how we should be, are going to be the downfall of America.


Don't go blaming one guy for the "downfall" of America...

The fact of the matter is... we all share equal responsibility for the future, and direction of the country.

You're just using Obama as a scapegoat.


You have an excellent point.
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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:17 pm

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whitewave wrote:Being somewhat dense, I missed the part where that translates into a suggestion. Are you intimating that we quit our jobs, quit paying taxes, quit buying stuff? Some of us have already taken that step. Or did you have something else in mind?


You can do what you want... Qutting your jobs and quitting buying stuff is certainly a way to piss off corporate america...

I"m just suggesting that you don't have to play the game.

And its true... you don't.

Now, how you quit the game is entirely up to you...

The best example I can think of is back in the o'l days of U.S. Prohibition...

The gov't said "hey! lets ban alcohol!"

The people said "fuck off, I want to drink".

They didn't quit drinking... they kept right on at it on a massive scale...

when the majority doesn't care what the government says, the government has to concede...

and they did... Prohibition was repealed.
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warrenb wrote:What about "I'll buy anything your selling, hook line and sinker"?

Crowd, power of authority and peer psychology are at play on the minds of sheep of the world.


I would file that under complacency...

Either its too uncomfortable to not play the game... so they allow it to happen...

or they are complicit in where they accept their information and suggestions from...
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pack3tg0st wrote:
soldiermom wrote:His perceptions of how we should be, are going to be the downfall of America.


Don't go blaming one guy for the "downfall" of America...

The fact of the matter is... we all share equal responsibility for the future, and direction of the country.

You're just using Obama as a scapegoat.



Sorry, but I am blaming one guy, Obama, for what's happening in this country right now. There are others that share in the blame, but the last I checked, he's the POTUS.

We should all share equal responsibility, but Obama and his colleagues have decided that I'm not worthy enough to be listened to, so no, I don't feel that I share in any blame.

The way I see it, he's the man in charge. He and his party are in complete control. The buck stops at his desk.

And you're saying that we all share responsibility, yet you're giving Obama a pass claiming that I'm using him as a scapegoat? I'm not running the country. He is.

And that's what pisses me off. Obama sympathizers never want to hold his feet to the fire. Blame it on everyone else and leave him alone. I say bullshit. He asked for the responsibility, he needs to accept it.
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Post Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:02 pm

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soldiermom wrote:
Sorry, but I am blaming one guy, Obama, for what's happening in this country right now. There are others that share in the blame, but the last I checked, he's the POTUS.


While absolving yourself completely of any responsibility? LIke it or not, the man has power because we gave it to him... not just the people who voted, but everybody...

We should all share equal responsibility, but Obama and his colleagues have decided that I'm not worthy enough to be listened to, so no, I don't feel that I share in any blame.


And there you go... assuming you have no power because they don't listen to you... the only difference between the power of a president and a homeless guy is the amount of people who will listen to him... If enough people stop listening... than he has no power. Don't assume you don't share blame because you played their game according to their rules and they won... the rules are stacked to make sure they win...

Stop playing the game.

The way I see it, he's the man in charge. He and his party are in complete control. The buck stops at his desk.

And you're saying that we all share responsibility, yet you're giving Obama a pass claiming that I'm using him as a scapegoat? I'm not running the country. He is.


He is running the country with your permission... what have you done to take back power, or lessen the power of the establishment today?

And that's what pisses me off. Obama sympathizers never want to hold his feet to the fire. Blame it on everyone else and leave him alone. I say bullshit. He asked for the responsibility, he needs to accept it.


I hope thats not you saying I'm an Obama fan lol... but anyway... You can never blame the direction teh country is heading on one person... we hired him. Even if you didn't vote for him, he's still representing you with your permission...

Its irresponsible to think your powerless, or that we're just kinda screwed and can't do anything about it... Leave your comfort zone... throw yourself on the gears of the machine... encourage others to do so...

IF you believe in something, complaining on a forum isn't gong to get you anywhere... Its your responsiblity to change it...

Governments can only operate with the permission and submission of the people. If you're not giving permission and doing nothing, than you're just submitting.
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Post Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:14 pm

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pack3tg0st wrote:
soldiermom wrote:His perceptions of how we should be, are going to be the downfall of America.


Don't go blaming one guy for the "downfall" of America...

The fact of the matter is... we all share equal responsibility for the future, and direction of the country.

You're just using Obama as a scapegoat.
i so agree with you. i have been saying "we the people" allowed this to go on for decades. it has always been "trust but verify". we became a nation of entitlement, complacent, and i am crying so hard right now. it seems to be coming down all around me and i don't know what to do but pass on the word to restore the republic for which it stands.

one thing i would like to point out; however, obama was selected for this role. he knew what his directives were. he's not american born. he does not care about the people of this country so it comes quite easily for him.
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Republics are never restored.

They might return under the guise of being a "republic", but thats not really the case...

believe it or not... the republic is dead....

A little unsettling.... but its true...

All Republics fail from a historic perspective...

Look at Rome...

Don't know what it will be, but I wouldn't bet we'll be returning to a republic anytime soon.
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Post Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:03 pm

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pack3tg0st wrote:But, he's only acting with your consent...
no shit dick tracy.......did i not say the exact same thing in my post to you pack3tg0st?

Thats what people find difficult to grasp... A government requires the people's consent or complacency to operate...
COMPLACENCY! because we sure a hell didn't pay one bit of attention to what was going on in our government for the last 50 years! me included until of late. now my children are tip toeing through the tulips because i as a citizens of this country perferred smoking my pot, snorting cocaine and getting my paycheck so i could play on the weekends, go on vacations, gamble in los vegas and wear designer suits! what was i thinking. my eyes have only been open for a few years but i certainly grasp the fact that WE THE PEOPLE are to blame. :angry03:
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