Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty?

Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:17 pm by CheesecakeLarry

pack3tg0st wrote:telling lies and half truths by screaming treason and questioning the constitutionality of the entire treaty isn't putting out a camp fire...

its simply starting another one.

it's not a lie if it becomes the truth. I backed up any issue you may have had with direct quotes from the constitution.

It will become treasonous if they follow through with this without congress.

It may become the truth. So many things have "slid" through without anyone caring or noticing that any time something of this magnitude comes up, people get nervous. And for good reason.

The only thing keeping them in check is constant surveillance on our part.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:21 pm by pack3tg0st

But that's moving the goalposts...

The original comment I responded to with my post in this thread, said that the treaty itself was communist, and treasonous to the Constitution...

I asked for someone to show me how the treaty was unconstitutional...

not the passing of the treaty... but the treaty itself...

I'm not arguing for or against the treaty... the whole idea is meaningless to me... I'm arguing the use of fear-tactics to sensationalize the entire situation.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:30 pm by CheesecakeLarry

pack3tg0st wrote:But that's moving the goalposts...

The original comment I responded to with my post in this thread, said that the treaty itself was communist, and treasonous to the Constitution...

I asked for someone to show me how the treaty was unconstitutional...

not the passing of the treaty... but the treaty itself...

I'm not arguing for or against the treaty... the whole idea is meaningless to me... I'm arguing the use of fear-tactics to sensationalize the entire situation.

lol This is a conspiracy site afterall. This type of an issue kinda goes with the territory. Please, feel free to debunk it. I think you've done a good job so far of illustrating what steps need to be taken before this becomes treason.

Certainly made me do my homework. :lol:

Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:03 pm by wonderworld

pack3tg0st wrote:
wonderworld wrote: it is treasonous to our Constitution

now comes the part where I ask you to back up that statement with the actual articles of the constitution that you think this will violate...

The Constitution defines treason as specific acts, namely "levying War against the United States, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

Check the Declaration of Independence.

The President is sworn to uphold the Constitution, not to destroy it..

Here is a small list of Copenhagen treaty issues.

The devastating immediate economic impact of the Copenhagen Climate Treaty:

* Limit manufacturing in the U.S. by cap and trade regulations = Loss of Jobs
* Limit personal consumption of energy by law and costs = Loss of Freedom
* Hyper Energy cost Inflation
* ALL goods and materials to become more expensive = Double Digit Inflation
* Transportation to become more expensive = $10 per gallon gas prices
* Halt the US Recovery = Prolonged Recession / Depression
* Assure and accelerate the shift of economic growth and profitability from the U.S to emerging markets = Loss of Opportunity
* Increase Imports for emerging countries who will not be subject to the same carbon emissions limits = Unfair Competition, Increased Trade Deficit
* Cause the U.S. to become an even greater debtor while China becomes an even bigger creditor = More Red Debt
* Add momentum to the movement away from the U.S. Dollar toward an alternate single or composite world reserve currency = One World Currency
* Increase the cost of Treasury borrowings = Ballooning Deficit
* Drive up federal and state taxes = Suffocating Taxes

The U. S. Constitution mandates that treaty ratification must be advised and consented to by a two-thirds majority in the U.S. Senate.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:08 pm by wonderworld

pack3tg0st,

This isnt fear tactics; although this treaty is indeed something to fear!

You might want to read it and also a bit of the Constitution. This is the most dynamic treaty to date and will change the course of democracy in 2010 and beyond.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:18 pm by CheesecakeLarry

The fact that this is even proposed is scary.

It shows the extent of what they'll try to pull with "liberals" in office throughout the worlds governments.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:30 pm by wonderworld

The Treason is also related to the Presidential oath of office, which was a scan from the beginning. He didnt put his hand on the Bible the second time, regardless this is what he said;

"I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D274_VdeckAU

Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:52 pm by dodadoom

We were given up by bush already.

This was so the other country's would continue to support the crashing dollar.

Old news. Blame who you feel you need to though....
if it makes it better.

Score: them 1, us 0.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:19 pm by pack3tg0st

First you say this:

wonderworld wrote:The Constitution defines treason as specific acts, namely "levying War against the United States, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

Then you say this:

wonderworld wrote:The Treason is also related to the Presidential oath of office

Which means... you quoted the constution, without ever figuring out what it was saying...

1) Treason is defined... as you showed..

2) If he fails to uphold the oath... that's called PERJURY... not Treason.

3) His oath of office was constituational, as deemed by the chief justice of the supreme court... the supreme court is the one who gets the final say in these matters.

4) None of the things you listed off as whats wrong with the treaty is unconstitutional...

You're arguing like a brainwashed fox news addict... Go out, learn this stuff on your own (not from CNN, or any sort of blog.. but honestly on your own... here's the text of the treaty in PDF if you're interested: http://assets.panda.org/downloads/final ... _cover.pdf)

Once you learn the stuff on your own... come up with your own opinion...

Then sit back and laugh at the rhetoric coming out of the brainwashed masses...

Seriously, do yourself a favor...

quit being a pawn of the media: start thinking for yourself.

Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:57 am by SGTChas

WW, you forgot: “… from all enemies, both foreign and domestic. So help me God."

Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:33 pm by musselwhite

pack3tg0st wrote:You're arguing like a brainwashed fox news addict... Go out, learn this stuff on your own (not from CNN, or any sort of blog.. but honestly on your own... here's the text of the treaty in PDF if you're interested: http://assets.panda.org/downloads/final ... _cover.pdf)

Once you learn the stuff on your own... come up with your own opinion...

Then sit back and laugh at the rhetoric coming out of the brainwashed masses...

Seriously, do yourself a favor...

quit being a pawn of the media: start thinking for yourself.

ah, wish we all have your intelligence (expecially computer knowledge), as for me, i do not and that is why i need people like you to help guide me in the right direction.

i know i ask a lot of stupid questions and i also make my opinion known as i understand the matter and there are those on this board that gentle guide me in the right direction and for that i am eternally grateful. please be kind. i for one have learned so much on this board and i've learned from you a great deal about my computer.

hey, thanks for that link about the document. i would have called it treason if it were not for the fact he was not born in the united states and although they say he was born in hawaii, again, hawaii is not legally a state either. hawaii-is-not-legally-a-state-t2953.html

Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:58 pm by Chuck

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Wed May 12, 2010 2:23 am by arise

soldiermom wrote:It certainly looks that way. I listened to Lord Monckton on Glenn Beck's radio program a couple of weeks ago and he made a very good case for the possibility. I think it's Obama's intention to make sure that he brings us down from a super power, to one that is on a level playing field with everyone else. No matter what the repercussions are for us.

His perceptions of how we should be, are going to be the downfall of America.

Just my humble opinion.

I don't think it is just Americans who will suffer. Major Western nations like Australia (where i live) may endure the same thing. personally there are arguments either way for whether Global Warming or climate change is real or if it is man made...but that's not the issue here.
It's the whole process, the secrecy, the power plays etc. That's what really concerns me...

Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:55 am by snyder007

pack3tg0st wrote:
musselwhite wrote:out of forced necessity i stopped buying christmas (what a joke), closed bank accounts, pay in cash only, do not shop at walmart (the trojan horse to the nwo), if i don't need it i just don't get it. i live quite comfortably i might add. no credit cards and of course no debit cards. they are NOT GOING TO GET MY MONEY! no car, no insurance OF ANY KIND! i struggle less, btw.

KISS!

Thats the way to do it... over a year ago, my wife and I cashed out all our Stocks, paid off all our debt, and bought a house with straight cash... (own it outright now)...

I dropped outta the rat race, and have been root cellaring, canning, and making absolutely everything we eat from scratch... I don't buy anything thats not made within a 100 mile radius of my house... If I absolutely MUST (mason jars etc), I buy them from local shops only... I haven't stepped foot in a chain store in over a year...

Our grocery bill is about 75/month for a family of 4... and that money goes to farms less than 100 miles from here...

I brew my own beer, and recently started brewing beer for an irish pub down the road who wanted a "house brew" I make enough doing this to cover all our bills...

My wife isn't quite on the same page yet... she still choses to play in the rat race... craves mcdonalds and the like.... but all in all, we're pretty localized and off the grid...

I envy you.

Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:31 pm by musselwhite

@snyder007: and look at this man jay-shafer-s-tiny-houses-t7808.html - simplicity!

btw, yes Obama is poised to cede US sovereignty - just about there!

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