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Post Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:56 am

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Greetings fellow Slaves, and those who hide in Ignorance thinking otherwise!

No matter which side of the tracks, or which side of life most of us here are from; we all agree that things are really wrong with society, and the direction as a whole. We've bailed out the banks beginning with the Bush Regime, and continued on into the Obama Regime; now the truth that the banks who were in "dire straits" now are showing record profits never before seen. It is looking like the government, the banks, and the Securities, and Exchange have pulled off the grandest Ponzi scheme in the history of all mankind!

So what are **YOU** going to do? Sit back until it's your house, and what's left of your pension stolen before wishing YOU *had* stood up? At that point YOU will have no choice, but to become an indigent person. Is the bank to blame at this point, the government, or their complete fraud protection agencies, or are YOU to blame? At that point, I have no pity for YOU, or anyone else; as you are to blame, because YOU didn't proactively stand up against these bastards; these Internationalists who cram National pride down all of our throats!

The banks don't earn us any money; the interest paid out on accounts is nothing; it doesn't even keep up with the devaluation; which is occurring, but being hidden; YOU can find numerous articles about the US plunge protection team; they are going to continue to prop it up until the very end. At the end, anyone who has continued to participate will have the "rug" pulled out from beneath their feet; the perpetrators/The Government pulling that rug will be laughing behind closed doors when they take that final tug.

I'm asking, and I hope YOU will ask others; don't keep YOUR money in a bank. Only keep enough in the bank to cover the bills you are forced to pay through them; such as those who still have a house with a mortgage. Don't leave anything in there that is unnecessary. Direct deposit? Take it out the day it's put in, and don't put any in until you need to make those bills that go through the bastards.

Keep the cash on hand, and use your personal responsibility to safe guard it; don't talk about how exactly you are doing it; personal responsibility is something we all have, and use, but not enough. Use the cash to try spurring your micro community level businesses; buy local, and don't ask for receipts. Actually ask for a cash discount. Lets take the fight to where it actually will hurt the corporate Elites, and their damn corporate carpet bagging policy makers.

Remember the Government was supposed to be "By The People, and for The People!"

Resist!

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Post Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:00 am

Re: Resist: Get Your Money Out of The Banks, Shop Locally With Cash


http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DqXi1vh4iFtg

It's not hard folks, we still live in a country that has guns; arm yourself, and protect what is yours........ Leaving it in a god damn bank isn't protecting your assets, but leaving it with the crooks, the thieves, and those who will absolutely steal it!

Just say No Banks!
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Post Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:20 am

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It would appear the easiest and fastest way out of this mess is to stop "conned''suming. Buy only what you need, buy used, buy local and barter.

Cash your paychecks when you get them and pay with cash. This is important! When you leave your money sitting in a bank, they turn around and loan it to someone else on a credit card at an ungodly interest rate. If no one left their money in the bank for the bank to use, they couldn't loan it out at high interest - It's not their money, it's yours.

People always ask what they can do, and get bummed because they feel they're to small to make a difference. You want to take your government back from the bankers, start cashing your checks, tell your neighbors and friends. Get it out in emails, get it on Youtube take it viral.

Just say no to banks.
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Post Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:28 am

Re: Just Say No... To Banks

Also, I'm not saying cut off all business with the banks.........keep your loans, keep the negative balances owed, but get your MONEY OUT! String out their loans, don't feed them any extra large sums.

The video below is great; skip to between about 9:30, and listen until 10:00. He gives some great advice about what can be done with banks. It's your choice, be a slave, or re-liberate yourself, and in so doing help others!


http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DKWu-efNN8PM
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Post Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:47 am

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I'm with ya! I've been dealing only in cash and trade for a couple of years now. Nothing noble, I just got royally pissed off at Bank of America, and cut all ties to banks. I keep an account open for direct deposit(not with BoA, of course), and pull all the cash out except around 5 - 10 dollars first thing in the morning on paydays.

Bills? I NEVER deposit money to pay bills. I have this quaint notion that that's what money-orders are for, and it's worth the extra change to me to know the money is guaranteed to get to the recipient, and the bank can't pull a fast one and "loose" what I have sitting in it before the checks hit, and then charge me big fat overdraft fees.

Know what? I can survive on a lot less money than I used to need when dealing with banks.

Buy locally? all day long. There's a little Mexican bodega down at the corner of the block where I live, and he gets the bulk of my business. It's local, it's nearby, and I'm supporting a little mom - and - pop business.

It has entertainment value, too. He gives me breaks all the time, and I NEVER know what an item is gonna cost when I go in there. Depends on who's behind the counter, and how they feel that day.

Yeah, man. Stash your cash, and shop cash and carry. It's the only way to fly.

'Specially if you like flying under the radar.
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Post Sun Jan 24, 2010 5:10 am

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@Ninurta,

1000% absolutely!!! The bodega sounds wonderful; I'd shop there too; I always make a point to try finding the local mom, and pop of an area. Not only do you get similar, and often times lower prices, you can also get the inside scoop, or low down of a particular area; I think that alone is worth, or can be worth it's weight in gold.

BoA are a bunch of jerks, but seems like lately many more are becoming ridiculous. I've got a relative who is almost done paying off a back hoe they had financed through the local bank(still part of the federal reserve). My relative is almost 70, and it seems the damn bank is jerking their chain. With the equipment being financed, they are required to carry insurance on it for the bank.

They've never been late on an insurance payment, or let the coverage lapse, but the bank for over a year, every couple months tries charging them a couple hundred bucks for insurance; which they claim wasn't carried. Every time this happens, my relative is stuck jumping through hoops with the bank, and also their insurance agent; whose also convinced something isn't right.

Finally I told the relative they need to get a letter stating that the loan, and account was in good standing, and that they owed 0 on lapsed insurance; as it never was..... The bank finally agreed to the letter; after it was proven that they are engaged in some kind of harassment, but in two months since then, no letter. My point is, how many older folks are they doing this to? How many people are getting hit left, and right with nefarious 'charges', and sometimes very high charges?

They are a scam, and with the increased usage by the common person over the last 50 years, they've become absolutely tyrannical!
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Post Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:21 am

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You know how the people woke up on October 29th 1929 and found that the banks were closed?

Well wouldnt it be a dish best served cold if on a certain date EVERYONE at the same time did a run on the banks? Lol that would be 'priceless'

If EVERYone cancelled their insurance policies? That would be like the icing on the cake.
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Post Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:30 am

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I always try to keep my money safe by looking after it myself. only necessary monies for bill payments are kept in the Bank I just changed to a bank that does not charge monthly fees . :yahoo:

Our banks here down under rip their customers off on a regular basis with out of this world fees and the like. their profits for the last financial year are amount the highest in the world considering the economic climate we all have gone through.

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OMG Innerflame, that would be beautiful! What a day that would be, if everyone got together and told these bastard banks and insurance companies that the government works for us, not them. There's a new sheriff in town LOL and you're not him Mr Citibank ROTF!
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nothing makes me more paranoid than someone else having access to my money.
i recently rented a car through my insurance company and gave them my debit card "in case i didn't fill the gas."
avis acted as if i had given them my card to go on vacation....account closed.i got another bank for DD and i empty it as soon as the money hits...SCREW them.
i am not a child,i can hold my own money, thank you.

here,deposit this... :bomb:
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@Innerflame,

Excellent idea! That's the thought process that all Americans, and just about all common folk around the world need to take to heart! I have a Mexican buddy who is a really successful businessman down south; he neither has a license, or carries insurance; it's a matter of principle to keep his money away from building up, or keeping oppression afloat!
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What about the Mom-n-Pop Local banks? Are they evil corporate bastards too? Credit Unions?
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The issue is that now in Alberta employeers can refuse to issue paper checks and force you to have a bank account for direct deposit. I love when my bank puts a hold on my direct deposit paycheck san't access it for 5 days.
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Post Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:59 pm

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They hold you're deposit for five days because they are loaning your money out at high interest to other people. If you check you'll find that the company who direct deposited your check had those funds immediately removed from their account, yet you don't have access to them for five days.

Who is using your money for those five days? How much interest are you being paid during that time? Now think of how much this scam makes the banks when they do this to every customer world wide?

I know it's called capitalism and they have every right to rip you off, but only if we let em. It's not their money, it's yours. If you serve as your own bank and pull your money out of there each time your deposit clears it stops them from being able to use it. Think of the massive amounts of money they're making if every single American only had a 25 dollar minimum balance. The numbers are staggering.

When your direct deposit finally clears, go get your money and pay with cash. A lot small companies will give you a discount for paying in cash, because they don't have to wait for the money to clear their bank. Why help the banks make millions, when they're getting bailouts on top of everything else. Instead, get yourself a cash discount or help the mom and pop store down the street by paying in cash, they'll make sure they get a discount somewhere else from the cash you paid.

Just say no to banks.
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Remixtup wrote:What about the Mom-n-Pop Local banks? Are they evil corporate bastards too? Credit Unions?



Which ones of those aren't part of the Federal Reserve System? They all are part! And the Bush's helped out the "small mom, and pops" in the 80's with the S&L. Do what you want, but I am out of them. My money is ***Mine***
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Awesome thread Sancho! And since you know me, you know I have been a staunch supporter of not using banks for a very long time.

The benefits to doing so are amazing. Living on a debit card [b][u]breeds[b][u] over spending. Instead, if you take your weekly allowance and put it in your wallet, every single time you grab a dollar, you will know exactly how much you have used and have left. People in debt should switch to cash immediately regardless of their world insight.

In terms of spending cash versus credit/debit/checks, and doing business locally is your ability to make deals. In my lifetime I have saved more than most people make in a year simply by dealing with local business owners and coming to private agreements, most done on a hand shake. When you use someone elses electronic money to make your purchases you are removing your personal power, and allow the degradation of societies power as a whole.

Do you ever stop to think about what someone could know about you, if they simply scanned your debit and credit card? What about if you add in your phone calls? I think the question becomes, what WOULDN'T they know. And whether you are worried about Government snooping is irrelevant, since electronic thieves and corporations buying such information is just as bad, if not worse than the government.

Between frivolous banking fees, pointless interest, privacy erosion, instability, fractional reserve banking, and your inability to have free access to what is yours... banks are the enemy of your freedom.
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Exile: if they pull that shit too frequently, swap banks. Keep swapping until you find one that DOESN'T pull that shit. If you can't get your money by 9am latest on the day after it was "deposited", or more likely the same day since around here direct deposits hit your account at 2 am or so, FIRE that goddamned bank, and hire another. Keep doing that until THEY get it right, and figure out just WHO owns that money they're playing with.

On a side note, someone above mentioned firing your insurance company too. I did that last year, in March, but I expect it to come back around and bite me in the ass with this wacky Obamacare bullshit. Specifically, the provision requiring you to have insurance, with jail and fines if you don't, to be enforced by the IRS. Folks, that is nothing less than giving the insurance companies a trapped pool of concentration-camp like prisoners to force them to give up a steady supply of money for nothing to the scammers at the insurance companies, and the US federal government is their enforcement arm to boot.

Fuck 'em.

It's harsh to say, but when the time comes for the IRS to try getting even DEEPER into my personal shit, if they're not really careful and don't just back the hell out slowly, I promise you'll all learn my name, because you'll read about that in the papers. Ya gotta draw the line somewhere, and I've drawn mine.

What can I say? I've had about enough of criminals and charlatans trying to run my world, which is why I've started doing the things I have, like firing banks and such.

Take control, folks. The worst they can do is kill ya, but they'll NEVER OWN you unless you roll over and allow it. If you do, then you deserve it. I'll die first, and you can take that to the bank.

Whichever one you want to do business with.
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I am still wanting to see Bush and Obama arrested for securities fraud. It is ILLEGAL to bail out a failing bank. Not only is it illegal, but it is MANDATED they take those banks and put them into receivership and liquidate what assests it has if any. The last thing they are to do is bail them out. This is why we have federal laws to protect the people from this king of MASSIVE abuse and criminal fraud. They broke the law and this law is explicit that not obeying it and using tax payers to nationalize risk on treasury bonds to China was no different than what Bernie Madoff did.

What is NEVER mentioned about this ANYWHERE that I have ever seen is what Obama Bush did by bailing out these banks, they broke the law! There is a law that that makes it illegal to bail out banks and was created for this very reason so that none of our elected officials would do something like this. They, apparently, are above the law. Not one News Media Personality (I don't call them journalists anymore) has mentioned that what the FBI should took them to jail for and is grounds to start impeachment hearings. That's right it is AGAINST THE LAW to BAIL OUT BANKS but I doubt any of them are even aware of it.

EXAMPLES of Trillions lost during Clintons last term.

Bush is responsible for $850 Billion for bailouts to Lehman bros, but here is what most insiders in economics are speculating. You may or may not remember this but it continues to be a problem and no one is admitting to it. The democrats have been doing this kind of thing with tax subsidized bail outs in the TRILLIONS of dollars long before Obama.
See Three minute video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rRqeJcuK-A

We are still paying for that fiasco.

Those that DO know about this mistakenly keep blaming Bush when Rumsfeld announced the Pentagon needed a 2.3 trillion dollar bailout the day before 911. What most people do NOT know, is this money was getting lost between 1999-2000.

None of this got much attention because the day after, we were attacked on 911 and that was all the news spoke.


This was Clintons guy that was finance chief of the pentagon that caused this back in 1999 and Obama put the same idiot back in the same Pentagon position even AFTER Senator Grassley’s scathing reprisal reminding the senate that this was the guy that cost tax payers 2.3 trillion back in 1999-2000. Obama just loves using crooks in fiduciary positions. He did the same thing to help ruin the Illinois economy and he will do the same thing to the Nations economy.

Bush and Obama Administrations Both Broke Law By Refusing to Close Insolvent Banks

Geithner's statements that he didn't have the power to close down the big banks are false. Moreover, Geithner and Paulson actually broke the law which requires the government to close down insolvent banks, no matter how big.

The Prompt Corrective Action Law (PCA) - 12 U.S.C. § 1831o - not only authorizes the government to seize insolvent banks, it mandates it.

As William K. Black - the senior regulator during the S&L crisis, and an Associate Professor of Economics and Law at the University of Missouri - told Bill Moyers in their recent interview:



[Question] In other words, they could have closed these banks without nationalizing them?

[Black] Well, you do a receivership. No one -- Ronald Reagan did receiverships. Nobody called it nationalization.

[Question] And that's a law?

[Black] That's the law.

[Question] So, Paulson could have done this? Geithner could do this?

[Black] Not could. Was mandated ....





Black provided the historical background to the PCA in a little-noticed essay last month:

PCA's premise was that regulatory discretion led to cover-ups of failed banks and excessive losses to the taxpayers. The PCA solution was to require higher capital requirements and to mandate that the regulators take over troubled banks before they deteriorated to the point that the failure would impose a cost on the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC). PCA also recognized that failing bankers had perverse incentives to "live large" and cause larger losses to the FDIC and taxpayers. PCA's answer was to mandate that the regulators stop these abuses by, for example, strictly limiting executive compensation and forbidding payments on subordinated debt.

Black then pointed out how the Bush and Obama administration's agenda has been the exact opposite of that of the PCA, and that both administrations have blatantly violated both the letter and the spirit of the law:

The law mandates that the administration place troubled banks, well before they become insolvent, in receivership, appoint competent managers, and restrain senior executive compensation (i.e., no bonuses and no raises may be paid to them). The law does not provide that the taxpayers are to bail out troubled banks. Treasury Secretary Paulson and other senior Bush financial regulators flouted the law. (The Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC) and the Office of Thrift Supervision (OTS) are both bureaus within Treasury.) The Bush administration wanted to cover up the depth of the financial crisis that its policies had caused.

Mr. Geithner, as President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York since October 2003, was one of those senior regulators who failed to take any effective regulatory action to prevent the crisis, but instead covered up its depth. He was supposed to regulate many of the largest bank holding companies in the United States. Far too many of these institutions are now deeply insolvent because the banks they own are deeply insolvent. The law mandated that Geithner and his colleagues place troubled banks in receivership long before they became insolvent. Why are the banking regulators, particularly Treasury Secretary Geithner, continuing to disobey the law?...

PCA's purpose is "to resolve... problems... at the least possible long-term cost to the [FDIC]." That means the least possible cost to taxpayers. Secretary Geithner's priority is [instead] protecting private shareholders....

Receiverships end unnecessary bailouts of private shareholders, reducing the cost to the FDIC, as the law requires. Receiverships place banks back in the hands of new shareholders. Geithner has so twisted the framing of this issue that he is warning that a cheaper, more effective means of resolving failed banks used under President Reagan is some alien form of socialism that President Obama must slay before it destroys capitalism. Geithner is channeling Rove when he conflates receiverships with "nationalization."

Secretaries Paulson and Geithner subverted the PCA law by allowing failed banks to engage in massive accounting fraud (which also means they are engaged in securities fraud). Treasury is telling the world that resolving the failed banks will require roughly $2 trillion dollars. That has to mean that the failed banks are insolvent by roughly $2 trillion. The failed banks, however, are reporting that they are not simply solvent, but "well capitalized." The regulators flout PCA by permitting this massive accounting and securities fraud.
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wyleecoyote wrote:It would appear the easiest and fastest way out of this mess is to stop "conned''suming. Buy only what you need, buy used, buy local and barter.

Cash your paychecks when you get them and pay with cash. This is important! When you leave your money sitting in a bank, they turn around and loan it to someone else on a credit card at an ungodly interest rate. If no one left their money in the bank for the bank to use, they couldn't loan it out at high interest - It's not their money, it's yours.

People always ask what they can do, and get bummed because they feel they're to small to make a difference. You want to take your government back from the bankers, start cashing your checks, tell your neighbors and friends. Get it out in emails, get it on Youtube take it viral.

Just say no to banks.




Oh really, But many people trusting their money in the bank. As we all know that our money safe there. Let we say they are going to give loan to someone else on a credit card at interest rate. Yeah its not their money its ours, but why did they must loan it out with an ungodly interest rate like what you said. Unless you can get your money enough right?
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wyleecoyote wrote:It would appear the easiest and fastest way out of this mess is to stop "conned''suming. Buy only what you need, buy used, buy local and barter.

Cash your paychecks when you get them and pay with cash. This is important! When you leave your money sitting in a bank, they turn around and loan it to someone else on a credit card at an ungodly interest rate. If no one left their money in the bank for the bank to use, they couldn't loan it out at high interest - It's not their money, it's yours.

People always ask what they can do, and get bummed because they feel they're to small to make a difference. You want to take your government back from the bankers, start cashing your checks, tell your neighbors and friends. Get it out in emails, get it on Youtube take it viral.

Just say no to banks.


wow

woman after my own heart.

just remember... when you DO spend your cash...

make sure its not wal-mart, target, kmart, best buy.

Spend it at the local mom-and-pop operation.

can't emphisize that enough. (and my spelling sucks after 8 beers)
Last edited by pack3tg0st on Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:25 am, edited 1 time in total.
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