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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:49 pm

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Free People, and Enslaved Zombies,

Make no mistake, there is no mystery in the forest. These tanks were staged near the rail lines. The Russians are only staging, and getting their logistics, and staging correct for USrael's World War 3. The articles on this topic mention how Russia 'accidentally' has around 15,000 more tanks than they'd ever need. It's not an accident; the question, or mystery is who will they have 'manning' them?

I hope you folks are ready, as it seems this coming war is gonna be bloody.

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March 7, 2010: The army insists that the 200 T-72 and T-80 tanks found in the woods next to a railroad station in the Urals last week, was part of a normal movement of military equipment, and the vehicles were under guard. But a week ago, people living in village of Elanskaya (outside the city of Yekaterinburg) noted the vehicles, unguarded, and unlocked, but without ammo or ignition keys. Local kids began crawling in and out of the tanks. Videos of all this began showing up on local, then national, web news programs. The government controlled national media tried to ignore it at first. Eventually the troops showed up, and then the tanks began disappearing, as trains with flat cars came by at night to pick them up. The situation raised, once more, the issue of the military wasting resources by trying to retain obsolete equipment. This may have made sense at one time, when military technology didn't change as rapidly as it has for the last few decades. Keeping over 20,000 tanks in service, when only 6,000 are needed, is seen as a waste of resources. The army responds that it had 50,000 tanks at the end of the Cold War, and has already sent most of them to the smelters. But as the recent episode demonstrated, the military is still spending a lot of money on tanks it doesn't need. The army would not comment on why those late model tanks were temporarily dumped in the woods next to the Trans-Siberian railroad. But one can surmise that Russia was building up its tank strength out east.

Major reforms in the military are into their third year, and the military is shrinking (losing nearly 200,000 officers it did not need) and getting cleaned up (several major corruption investigations have cut theft of cash and equipment). But morale remains low (still lots of suicides and accidental deaths). There's a long way to go yet.

Russian attempts to replace Iran's aging AirBus and Boeing airliner fleet with Russia aircraft has apparently failed. Iran has ordered dozens of Russian pilots (for the Russian airliners Iran does use) to leave the country within two months. Iran is angry that Russia has again said it would deliver the S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems Iran has bought and paid for, and then said that, no, the missile systems would not be shipped. Russia has become alarmed at Irans nuclear weapons program, and the aggressiveness and instability of Iranian leadership.

Georgia, and the Baltic States (particularly Estonia) are asking West European nations not to sell Russia amphibious assault ships. Russia has approached France and Spain about buying such ships, and Georgia and the Baltic States see themselves as the most likely targets for such vessels.

The Russian space program is suffering from a shortage of high quality volunteers to be astronauts (or Cosmonauts, in Russian). There are only forty trained Cosmonauts, and the training facilities are decades old and dilapidated. There are much better paying (and safer) jobs available to Russians who can meet the mental and physical standards for being a Cosmonaut, so the quality of recent applicants has been plummeting.

One reason Russia has been more helpful to NATO forces in Afghanistan, is that all that heroin coming out of Afghanistan has created over two million heroin addicts in Russia. Each year, 30,000 Russians die from heroin use. Russia would like NATO to crippled Afghan heroin production as soon as possible.

March 4, 2010: Prime minister Putin ordered the air force to begin planning development of a new heavy bomber. Such a project would cost billions of dollars, just to get started. The air force now has to come up with a convincing design, that will justify spending over $20 billion. The army and navy would love to have that money, and the air force will have a hard time holding on to it. The last heavy bomber, the Tu-160, was developed over two decades ago, entered service in 1987, and only 35 were built before the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. The aircraft is similar to the U.S. B-1, as the Russians never got to try and build something similar to American B-2.

The navy successfully tested its Sineva SLBM (sea launched ballistic missile). This liquid fueled missile is used in existing Delta IV class missile subs.

March 3, 2010: In Ingushetia, police raided a Chechen rebel hideout. The men trapped inside refused to surrender, and in the subsequent gun battle, eight of the rebels were killed (including wanted leader Alexander Tikhomirov), and ten others captured. Also seized were weapons, documents and bomb making materials which linked this group to bombing attacks on Russian railroads in 2007 and 2009.

March 2, 2010: Russia put three more GLONASS navigation satellites in orbit. That makes 19 active ones, with 24 needed to make this GPS system complete and active worldwide.

March 1, 2010: Per an agreement last year, the border between Russia and Georgia was reopened (at only one crossing). The border had been closed since July, 2006.

February 27, 2010: Russia has agreed to supply Lebanon with armed helicopters (ten Mi-24s), instead of ten MiG-29s. Lebanon doesn't have pilots who could match Israeli pilots in their F-16s.
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:58 pm

Re: Russians Mass Enormous Amount of Tanks in Ural Mountains

very interersting, and highly Alarming, i dont want to make any conclusions yet abuot this, but it looks like an arms race of some kind, and perhaps does tanks are being shiped to war or then to a melter
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:03 pm

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Or being sold.
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:11 pm

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Being sold. Being scrapped. Or, being amassed either for assault on Georgia or the Ukraine (which has recently financially collapsed and has a government in disarray. The Russians have been looking that way for a long time and the head of the Ukrainian government is Russia friendly now, not NATO friendly).

I'd like to know which way the trains carrying the tanks away went.

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As you can see on the map, the city of Yekaterinburg is West and barely North of Georgia and West and slightly more South of the Ukraine.
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Post Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:36 am

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Since I am not familiar with this blog I have a question. Where do they get their intel and who runs that site?? I could find no collaboration for this report anywhere else. My sources have not made any mention of this and mine are fairly reliable! Just asking!

Hmmmmm,
That mountain range you see between Georgia and the Ukraine is a karsk formation. Heavy shale like rocks from old volcanic formations. People don't even want to walk across them let alone try to drive a tank over?? :cheesygrin:

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Post Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:53 am

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@Zindo,
Google says your sources need to do some checking :smile:
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp& ... =&oq=&fp=1

http://www.euronews.net/2010/03/04/russ ... al-forest/
A walk in the woods has produced more than was bargained for – around 200 Russian tanks have been discovered abandoned in the Ural mountains.

The military vehicles, which were discovered and filmed on mobile phones by two Russian journalists for Life News, had been seemingly there for some time.
Journalist Andrei Gorbunov explained, “ Whoever wants to can drive over there and get in, what’s more the hatches were open and there wasn’t a single guard, there was not a single person from the military there.”

The T-80 tanks are used by Russia’s army as its main battle tank and are an integral part of the country’s military defence set-up.

Army spokesman Dmitry Burdakov played down the discovery.

“The hardware is under guard by military patrols and on several occasions civilians who wanted to get in and film the tanks and what’s inside them, have been detained.”

The tanks have since been removed and taken to a nearby depot. Russia is in the process of streamlining its massive military and some commanders have said they only require half of the country’s 20,000 tanks
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Post Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:50 am

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Sancho,
i didn't say they weren't there! I was saying that they most likely are NOT there to attack Georgia or the Ukraine from that location! My sources are pretty good amigo! Having worked in the evil Military Industrial Complex on and off for 40+ years! :cheesygrin:

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Post Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:57 am

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ah, I see. KK, I understand now. It would still be interesting to see where they are going.
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Sancho wrote:ah, I see. KK, I understand now. It would still be interesting to see where they are going.


I agree, it will be interesting to find out what they are doing there. Lots of interesting stories coming out of the old Soviet Union. How many are true or over embellished remains to be seen!

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I wouldn't say it's a great big deal.

No one has more experience smoking Russian tanks, shooting down Russian planes, and defeating Russian tactics than the Israelis.

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ZindoDoone wrote:...it will be interesting to find out what they are doing there. Lots of interesting stories coming out of the old Soviet Union. How many are true or over embellished remains to be seen!

Zindo


At any rate, there is a charged atmosphere - EVERYWHERE! Something is coming down the pike and it feels big.

While it might sound strange and sadistic, I'm starting to get a bit anxious about the level of anxiety being displayed by the government/corporate leaders, the mainstream media, the federally funded law enforcement agencies and, the general public at large.

Something big comes this way!!!
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Dooper wrote:I wouldn't say it's a great big deal.

No one has more experience smoking Russian tanks, shooting down Russian planes, and defeating Russian tactics than the Israelis.

Est. 1948.

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The Afghan fighters do a good job of dealing with the Russian military hardware, as well. After all, it's said that Afghanistan is the killer of nations!
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Dooper wrote:I wouldn't say it's a great big deal.

No one has more experience smoking Russian tanks, shooting down Russian planes, and defeating Russian tactics than the Israelis.

Est. 1948.

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I remember reading in Janes about the first generation of auto loaders they installed in, I think it was, the T-50 or -60. They tended to try to load the operator more often than the shell it was intended for. Injuries and deaths happened frequently till they redesigned it.

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Yeah, they had to go with autoloaders as they opted for the signature low profile turret. And yes, I think being a loader on those tanks was about as appealing as being a glowing sailor on a Russian sub.

Afghanistan has been whipped twice, and that's not exactly what I call a killer of nations. Alexander and Ghengis.

But you see, if you want to defeat the Afghanis, you have to do so and not concern yourself with the sensitivities of others.

Depopulate regions that resist, and the problem is solved.

And you can't knock success. That approach already worked twice.

All other approaches have failed.
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Dooper wrote:I wouldn't say it's a great big deal.

No one has more experience smoking Russian tanks, shooting down Russian planes, and defeating Russian tactics than the Israelis.

Est. 1948.

Kicking ass ever since.


You can't be serious? Remember what happened 08-08-08? The Zionists were all over the boobtube in the early morning hours, and by the end of the day, they had to change their tune. They went from bragging to trying a disinformation campaign that Russia was the aggressor; which they weren't.

I mean that is the closest event we all can easily look at. Both US, and IDF were pulled out of the dead from that small skirmish. What was the overall result? Russia walked away with a few Hummers, and helped liberate two satellite states. Both South Osetia, and Abkasia(sp) are not part of Georgia anymore. It would be an epic fail on the part of USrael. If you really want to get technical, their prompt defeat knocked down the start of World War 3. Remember the massive NATO Armada that was assembled in the Persian Gulf?

Georgia started the skirmish on 08-08-08 right when the Armada was in place. Many people are of the perception that should Georgia led by US/Israeli commandos were successful in bogging down the Russians, then we would have seen an attack on Iran.
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You know, I've grown up with lots of Georgians (as well as Russians, Ukrainians, etc) and two of them are Abkhazian and they always referred to themselves as Georgians. I think that whole matter was far more complicated than we think. They were one country for somewhere around 1000 years. As far as I know, Abkhazia had taken over part of Georgia over 1000 years ago and then eventually Georgia won and took Abkhazia 1000 years ago. It's really easy to call this a "Zionist" plot. These guys have a LOOOONG history together.
One of my Abkhazian friends said after Abkhazia gained autonomy from Georgia completely with Russia's help, "Well, apparently I can no longer call myself Georgian."

When Georgia became part of the Soviet Union, many considered Abkhazia part of Georgia. Plenty of Georgians lived there. Plenty of them were cleansed by the Abkhazians. If you want to argue that Georgia did "bad" things to Abkhazia at different points in history the same can be said of the Abkhazians towards the Georgians. This predates any sort of Zionist conspiracy. It's a complicated history and has nothing to do with Zionists.
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hmmmm wrote:You know, I've grown up with lots of Georgians (as well as Russians, Ukrainians, etc) and two of them are Abkhazian and they always referred to themselves as Georgians. I think that whole matter was far more complicated than we think. They were one country for somewhere around 1000 years. As far as I know, Abkhazia had taken over part of Georgia over 1000 years ago and then eventually Georgia won and took Abkhazia 1000 years ago. It's really easy to call this a "Zionist" plot. These guys have a LOOOONG history together.
One of my Abkhazian friends said after Abkhazia gained autonomy from Georgia completely with Russia's help, "Well, apparently I can no longer call myself Georgian."

When Georgia became part of the Soviet Union, many considered Abkhazia part of Georgia. Plenty of Georgians lived there. Plenty of them were cleansed by the Abkhazians. If you want to argue that Georgia did "bad" things to Abkhazia at different points in history the same can be said of the Abkhazians towards the Georgians. This predates any sort of Zionist conspiracy. It's a complicated history and has nothing to do with Zionists.


Kinda like the history of the Mideast and Southern Africa, Till the early 1900's maps were impossible to have as an accurate means of knowing exactly what country you were in unless you had someone from the area with you where you traveled!
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ZindoDoone wrote:Kinda like the history of the Mideast and Southern Africa, Till the early 1900's maps were impossible to have as an accurate means of knowing exactly what country you were in unless you had someone from the area with you where you traveled!


Exactly, Zindo. The old world wasn't so cut and dry when it came to boundaries and sovereignty.
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Sooooooooooo . . . you mean these evil Zionists are not entirely responsible for all the world's evils, as we continue to see presented?

Well shit.

There went 95% of all the world's problems. Gone. Instantly.

And . . . all the Russian/Soviet tanks - the thousands destroyed by Israel over the decades - those weren't really of Russian or Soviet design?

There goes another significant amount of history.

Maybe we should re-write history.

Oh.

Never mind.
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Dooper wrote:Sooooooooooo . . . you mean these evil Zionists are not entirely responsible for all the world's evils, as we continue to see presented?

Well shit.

There went 95% of all the world's problems. Gone. Instantly.

And . . . all the Russian/Soviet tanks - the thousands destroyed by Israel over the decades - those weren't really of Russian or Soviet design?

There goes another significant amount of history.

Maybe we should re-write history.

Oh.

Never mind.


Hahahhahaha! Something like that.
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