I actually agree with King on this; 2+2 ***isn't*** equaling 4 with what's going on at Fukushima.

In fact the other day, I posted the most up to date satellite photos of the facility here in this forum; the funny thing is, there was ***ZERO*** equipment staged.

It either means the thing is a ruse, or it means we'll all be dying here within a few days.

From there, I've stated countless times, that the Japan event was purposely done as a means to psychologically prepare the American People for something bigger on the US Continent; which will make 'Japan look like child's play'.

I don't have the skills to do it, but yes, I do have some good sources; which told me the three Ki producers in the US all had major injections of capital before the March 11th disaster start. That to discover the companies involved, and the other companies who invested, then you'll see their true plans.

+1 for King

It just dont add up.
Four nuclear plants suffering a large break LOCA and they do not go critical.
That dont add up at all.
Once a reactor has gone into LOCA its 200 seconds till meltdown.
At 200 seconds the fuel is deforming into a plastic like substance and begins to head for the bottom of the reactor.
It will get so hot in there the 5 inch thick steel walls will begin to slide to the bottom to form a puddle which in turn will form a bubble.....then BOOM!!
It will come soon.
Especially reactor #3
Game over. check mate.

Ok, so ummm.. lets go to Jackie G's school of mathematics.

200 seconds till meltdown.... = 2.

5 inches of steel melt down = 2.

2 + 2 = boom (4?)

Yet, we have no explosion even though the reactors have been melting down for uh... 3 weeks? They've had no way to cool the reactors since the 12th, and no I don't include dropping bucket of water on volcanoes from a helicopter "cooling". OKEE?

So in this case, 2+2 clearly equals WAT DA FAK?

Oh and just to add something else, I watched all of this happen live on March 10th (our time). By the Friday, we knew of the Nuclear situation, and the Saturday I think was the first explosion (12/13th). At that point I rapidly researched everything I could, then based on information at hand, began making predictions.

Essentially, I predicted all the 'news' that has come out so far. I'm not a nuclear expert, or physicist yet here I was operating on the given information, and some basic research and I could 'miraculously' predict the progression we've so far witnessed.

If this situation was as dire as it sure appears to be, why isn't every nation on earth rushing to fix this? why do have 10's of thousands of troops fighting pointless, irrelevant wars, if this nuclear apocalypse is going to wipe out the planet anyways? Why wasn't every nuclear physicist on earth worth his suspenders not shouting from the outset, when it was blatantly obvious from the start "how bad" this would get? It's like we all watched in slow-mo as a fully loaded 150 car train jumped off its tracks... then the world sat around and went "nahhhh it won't completely derail..." "... nahh the trains wont crumple into piles.." .."nahhh the passenger and conductor will be just fine"

Gimme a break.

It's just one big Hydrogen bomb waiting to happen if all is true regarding the leak...is it not?...I think we are missing the point...then we have our megachernobyl.

On September 11th, we watched the illuminati play two cards,



On March 11th, we once again watched the illuminati play two cards,








On which 11th, will two more cards be presented?

That's easy king. September 11th of 2011. The Great Madrid Quake Pt 2. I hope all your nuclear reactors can handle a mega-quake better than the Japanese (sorry American) ones.

And yes I know you're Canadian.

Fuk U Shima?

Ah yes, and in the Japanese language, "Shima" is defined as:
岩波国語辞典, a Japanese dictionary, defines shima as a pattern of stripes with a different colour from the background. As pattern presupposes more than one stripe, this definition supports my intuitive judgement. In a timid old world where pedants are eager to live, shima can be defined as "multiple stripes making a pattern" and suji as a strip of different colour. The latter can refer to any number of stripes ranging from one to infinity, but, when the stripes form a recognisable pattern, shima is preferred.

So then we have the complete translation as Fuk U Stripes. Stripes as in "Stars and Stripes"?

SEATTLE, Wash. -- Thousands of U.S. military and Department of Defense personnel are being voluntarily evacuated from Japan to Seattle and Joint Base Lewis-McChord following last week’s earthquake and tsunami.The USO confirmed Friday that 15,000 U.S. personnel and their dependents will be hosted at USO centers at SeaTac and JBLM in the coming days. The evacuation is part of the U.S. State Department's voluntary evacuation of U.S. personnel following growing concerns at nuclear plants in Japan.About 6,700 people are expected to arrive at SeaTac and 8,000 at Lewis-McChord, the USO said. The USO centers will act as a hub for military support.The News Tribune reported that about 240 military members and their families evacuated from Japan arrived at Sea-Tac Saturday morning, the first of a wave of several thousand expected to arrive in the Puget Sound area this week."There’s about 190 children and 50 adults who just passed through customs," said Don Leingang, executive director of the local USO, which is helping feed the arrivals and help the to connecting flights. "It's pretty eye watering, if you really want to know."Leingang told The News Tribune that the next flight is due Monday.The USO is seeking donations as they plan to support an influx of people in the coming days. Donations can be made online at http://www.usopsa.org . The USO said about 200,000 U.S. personnel are being evacuated from Japan to U.S. West Coast cities including San Diego, San Francisco, Los Angeles and Seattle/JBLM.

Let me now reference this UN link:

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2007/ ... 60.doc.htm

ALEDIA CENTENO RODRIGUEZ, Frente Patriotico Arecibeño, said her organization had spoken last year on the United States strategy to authorize a nuclear weapons production facility in Puerto Rico, in violation of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. She explained that Arecibo was home to the Arecibo National Astronomy and Ionospheric Centre (NAIC), which was used as an “ionospheric heater” [an array of antennae which are used for heating the uppermost part of the atmosphere]. Arecibo was also mentioned as a test-site for the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Programme (HAARP), in a patent filed by an individual in the United States, to conducted experiments related to ionospheric manipulation. HAARP could function as an anti-missile and anti-aircraft defence system, permit interception and disruption of communications, weather and submarine and subterranean communications, among other things. The HAARP patent papers also stated that the invention could “simulate and perform the same function as performed by the detonation of a heavy type nuclear device”.

Chinese HAARP at work forcing US military to evacuate Japan? But why?

http://www.shanghai.gov.cn/shanghai/nod ... 42724.html

Oh that's right China had to evacuate Libya.

An estimated 30,000 Chinese nationals were awaiting evacuation, and the figure was changing as the evacuation proceeded, said Du Minghao, spokesperson for the Chinese Embassy in Libya.

It was expected to be China’s largest-ever evacuation, said Gao Zugui, director of the Institute of World Politics of the China Institute of Contemporary International Relations.

China has suffered severe economic losses as a result of the political turmoil in Libya, it said yesterday.

About 75 Chinese companies were operating in Libya, involving about 36,000 staffers and 50 projects, said a statement on the Ministry of Commerce website.

As of Wednesday, 27 Chinese construction sites or camps had been attacked and robbed, with injuries reported but no deaths so far, the MOC statement said.

Armed gangsters

Armed gangsters attacked some Chinese companies, institutions and project camps in Libya, robbing them of grain and leaving people with shortages of materials, said the statement.

The ministry did not give a monetary value for the losses.

The evacuation was carried out by sea, air and land.

More than 4,000 Chinese left Libya yesterday on two Greek liners chartered by the Chinese Embassy in Greece, China’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement yesterday.

Chinese companies, including China Ocean Shipping (Group) Company, had actively participated in the evacuation, Ma said.

Meanwhile, the Chinese embassy in Egypt said it had received more than 400 Chinese who left Libya by road.

Its going to take some time to melt the steel walls of the reactor down into the bottom.
It they can somehow pump some sea water directly into the reactor it should accelerate the process.
The water would cause tiny fractures in the steel and that would accelerate the process of melting down the reactor itself.
Assuming the fuel will eventually melt threw the bottom then the sides will slide down and form a casing over top of the melted rods.
Once the fuel contacts water it should explode sending molten lava all over the area.

4.3 Radiological consequences
Even after a successfully terminated large break LOCA transient, where all safeguard systems
have worked as planned, a large number of fuel rods will have failed. Large amounts of radioactivity
will have reached the containment in the form of gases or particulate aerosols. From a regulatory point
of view some of this radioactivity will leak out of the containment and reach the environment outside
the nuclear plant where it will cause a dose burden to the public. For calculation of the doses it has to
be assumed that the containment leak rate is the highest permissible rate stated in the technical
specifications of the plant [13-16]. Other pathways out of the containment must also be considered like
the systems for recirculation of sump water outside the containment and the main steam isolation
valves for BWRs. That leaks do occur in connection with radioactive releases to the containment was
demonstrated at the Three Mile Island incident although releases of iodine were significantly lower
than expected from assumed maximum leak rates for the containment [17]. In calculations of external
radiological consequences the basis always is the so-called “in-containment source term” which is the
object of the present section.
When a break of the reactor coolant system occurs at operating conditions, approximately 50% of
the primary coolant mass will flash leading to steam discharged into the containment which then
condenses in the atmosphere or on the surfaces of primary containment. From the atmosphere
condensation droplets or from some small water droplets discharged from the break, an aerosol water
phase is present in the containment atmosphere. Following a LOCA, in the cold leg, the fission
products released by the fuel are transferred to the containment in different steps [18]. During the dry
phase (up to 250 s), noble gases and a fraction of iodine and caesium (CsI) are transferred by the steam
to the containment. At this time, only a small fraction of iodine is released as molecular iodine. During
the wet phase (after reflooding), molecular iodine is generated by water radiolysis in the vessel
and released through the break. In the long term, all the fission product inventory in the water vessel is
transferred by the water to the containment sump. The concentration of fission products in the
containment atmosphere (noble gases, iodine, caesium and other species released by the fuel) depends
on the release rate from the break and the depletion mechanisms. For designs not provided with a
spray system, the aerosol behaviour is affected only by natural process, such as agglomeration and
steam condensation, and aerosols will be removed from the containment atmosphere by gravity and
phoretic effects [18]. For the volatile species (molecular iodine), the depletion in the containment
atmosphere is governed by the gas/liquid mass transfer and adsorption on painted surfaces. In designs
provided with a spray system, this system provides an additional mechanism for airborne aerosols
or molecular iodine depletion from the containment atmosphere. In the evaluation of radiological
consequences of a LOCA, licensing approaches may consider a global removal rate coefficient for the
evaluation of fission product depletion from the containment atmosphere. This coefficient depends on
the physical and chemical nature of the species. Different practices consider a constant value of
removal rate coefficient up to a maximum decontamination factor (from 100 to 1 000) or consider
different values for this coefficient for different time periods. 77
It is in principle possible to include corrosion products dissolved in the primary water in the incontainment source term since they will spread in the containment in connection with the LOCA.
However it has been shown that they give a negligible contribution to the external dose [19]. The same
argument applies to fission products and actinides released to the coolant before large scale fuel failures
in connection with the LOCA [19]. The main contributor to the in-containment source term thus is the
release of the core inventory of fission products. This inventory can be calculated with appropriate
isotope generation and depletion computer codes such as ORIGEN- 2, ORIGEN-ARP [13-14] or FISPIN
[19]. The inventory of fission products is distributed unevenly in the fuel rods and not all of them are
available for release. The distribution is also strongly burn-up dependent. The part of the inventory most
readily released is the gap inventory consisting noble gases and volatile iodine compounds. In the gap
there may also be water soluble fission products like caesium species. The fission products less readily
available for release are slowly leached out from the fuel matrix. The rates of release will depend on the
fragmentation of the fuel which may be highly burn-up dependent. With knowledge of fission product
distributions and reliable estimates of the number of failed fuel rods it would in principle be possible to
reach reasonably realistic numbers for the in-containment source term.
However, from a regulatory point of view, it is in the United States for instance assumed that
there is a core melt and that the containment nonetheless should retain most of the fission products.
Therefore, conservative core-melt release fractions are provided in Regulatory Guides 1.3 and 1.4.
More realistic alternative source terms for a core-melt are provided in Regulatory Guide 1.183 and
these release fractions are given by the following table [13-16]:

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
In 1986, a Working Group of the Committee on the Safety of Nuclear Installations (CSNI) issued
a State-of-the-Art Report (SOAR) on pressurised water reactor fuel behaviour in design basis accident
(DBA) conditions. The current State-of-the-Art Report on fuel behaviour in LOCA conditions is an
updated version that describes phenomena of importance in the loss-of-coolant-accident (LOCA). New
information has been produced concerning these phenomena. Older cladding materials have been
replaced by newer alloys that may behave differently under postulated accident conditions. There is
also a clear need to include discussions on accident issues for other water cooled reactor types. This is
especially important now when the Eastern European countries have joined the discussion on nuclear
safety issues.
In the design of nuclear power plants, the consequences of hypothetical accidents are analysed so
that suitable mitigating systems can be devised. For design basis accidents, a fundamental acceptance
criterion is that there should be no or very limited radiological consequences to the public. In order to
fulfill this criterion, derivative acceptance criteria have been formulated for the safety systems of the
reactor.
http://www.oecd-nea.org/nsd/reports/200 ... 6_LOCA.pdf
For example the pressurised water reactor design basis loss-of-coolant-accident involves the
break of one of the large coolant pipes between the reactor vessel and the main circulation pump. In
order to mitigate the consequences of this break, it is necessary to design the emergency core cooling
systems so that the fuel is cooled efficiently during all phases of the accident. This requirement
naturally leads to a criterion that the fuel must maintain its coolable geometry throughout the whole
LOCA sequence and that the structural integrity of the fuel rods is maintained.

Your sarcasm(i hope) is duly noted and appreciated.

Sorry...its not sarcasm.
its reality according to LOCA at any BWR reactor.

@King,

Look at this video!!! Fishy at Fuk U Shima, eh?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp9iJ3pPuL8

http://xkcd.com/radiation/

I'm not saying there's no radiation, but when we have heard that there is 400 mSv 32km away from the plant, that's an outright lie. The video shows 109 uSv 1.5km from the plant, which happens to be 3669% less than at 32km away.

I don't think its a coincidence that reactor 3, the reactor which has the plutonium fuel was blown sky high in an amazingly fantastic mushroom cloud explosion. To try and claim that the reactor survived that is crazy. It's hard for us from images to get a perspective on just how large these buildings are, they're massive. They're steel structures with 1.5 meters (roughly 5 feet) of concrete casing interlaced with steel. To level a building like that as we see with reactors buildings 1, 3, 4, we would need a tremendous amount of power.

In the video of the explosion at reactor 3 we can visually see chunks of 'something' raining down from the sky, I suspect this is chunks of the reactor and rods. These are obviously very dangerous and those who come in contact will surely face a quick death to acute radiation sickness. But where are all the dead workers? Even if they were hiding the fact that workers were dying, or getting so sick they couldn't work then surely they would have to replace them, why haven't we heard a word about that?

Further, why do all the high-res satelite photos show nearly zero equipment, and vehicles on site? We're dealing with the largest disaster in centuries yet no one seems to be doing anything around the plants???

The "Fat Man" dropped on Nagasaki was detonated at 2000 feet, and produced a pillar mushroom cloud of approximately 45,000 feet using 21kilton device. When reactor 3 went the cloud was at least 3,000 feet in relation to the 1000 foot towers on site at the Fukushima plant. No more than a 2kiloton device would have been required, but much likely less considering it was sitting under a plutonium reactor.

------ Water ------

The volume of the pacific ocean is 700,000,000 cubic kilometers. The other day they announced they were going to release 11,500 tons of radiated water. This sounds like a massive amount, but as humans we tend to forget the planetary scale.

11,500 tonnes of water is 10,400 cubic meters of volume. 10,400 cubic meters is 0.0000104 cubic kilometers.

To put that into scale with the ocean, that much water makes up 0.0000000000000014587% (Less than one-one thousandth of a trillion of a percent)

Now, is the Japanese seafood industry toast? Yes, but even that I am not sure because by the time fishing resumes off the coast, they will have raised the acceptable limits by several thousand percent and people will probably just eat the “safe” food.

Is radiation going to start turning up in the food chain all over the world? Most likely. Will it be what kills you, from chronic radiation poisoning? Probably not.

A 109 uSv reading 1.5km from the plant is extremely high if the wind is blowing out to sea.
If the wind changed and blew directly at these pair it just might hit 400 plus.

Maybe these people are going to die, you dont immediately after contact. This is a slow death, and they have announced several deaths, we are only 4 weeks into this disaster. And we might just see truck loads of deaths. 300?

no?

Hey Bosco welcome to the site and I'm glad you signed up

I'm not sure what to make out of all of this, I mean both sides make really good points and each point can be argued either way.







Just after Chernobyl the article said:



So I am assuming that many animals were still alive and so if we see animals alive in Japan this would be the same as around Chernobyl wouldn't it?

As for the readings I also read somewhere that readings closer to the plant in Chernobyl sometimes were much lower than readings several miles away which were super high and this was apparently caused by wind direction and some other factors so its no surprise we could see the same in japan.

the Satellite images where there is no activity is another issue that I'm not sure about, I mean from the video Sancho posted it appeared the roads leading up to the nuclear plant all had major damage so its very possible the road conditions are what is preventing emergency the flip side argument is that a crisis on this level the government would have the army repairing roads to get emergency crews in there, while another rebuttal is that they want to keep people out (including emergency personnel) to help keep a lid on the severity of the situation.

I think just from the damage I have seen that its on such a large scale that the Japanese government is simply overwhelmed and is trying everything they can to get a grasp on the situation. Remember it was several days after Katrina first hit that president Bush even visited and all the problems with FEMA and the scapegoat Michael "Brownie" Brown, and here we are some 6 years later and some ares are still in the same condition as after Katrina.

This disaster in Japan far outreaches the scope of Katrina in terms of devastation even without the nuclear issues. Its only been 4 weeks and they are just now getting a grasp of the magnitude and working with the hundreds of thousands of displaced people. I remember the Astrodome and Houston taking in Katrina people and a month later still seeing them sitting in those shelters and the USA was always thought to be the best prepared.

I also agree that there are many who are refusing to go to work in the plant and with the lies and cover up both from TEPCO and the MSM I am not sure what the truth is but I can say looking at the damage from the video that was posted I am convinced that the damage to the plant was all a result of natural disaster and not any conspiracy of sabotage

here is what FIREBLADE Our new member posted on another forum