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U.S. "cap and trade" rebranded "pollution reduction"

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Post Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:46 pm

U.S. "cap and trade" rebranded "pollution reduction"

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Free People, and Enslaved Zombies,

Did ya' really think they'd stop once Climate Gate came out? Nope, c'mon, we're not dealing with politicians that represent us, but with puppets whose strings are pulled by Elite master's who spent a lot of money selling us Man Made Global Warming schemes. I guess I can say,"They're back!!!"

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(Reuters) - Like a savvy Madison Avenue advertising team, senators pushing climate-control legislation have decided to scrap the name "cap and trade" and rebrand their product as "pollution reduction targets."



A clunky and difficult term to define for laymen and some politicians, "cap and trade" had become dirty words on Capitol Hill in recent months.

Republicans called the plan nothing more than "cap and tax" and one influential senator took great pains last week to declare cap and trade "dead."

Senator Joseph Lieberman, an independent trying to draft a bipartisan bill, said, "We don't use that term anymore."

Instead Lieberman said, laughing: "We will have pollution reduction targets."

But Lieberman did say it was still possible utilities may be subject to a cap and trade system. Senator Thomas Carper, who chairs a clean air panel in the Senate, told Reuters on Tuesday that cap and trade for utilities was the way to go.

Under cap and trade, or whatever it's called, Washington would impose steadily declining limits on carbon pollution that companies could emit, in the hopes of battling global warming. The pollution permits they would be required to hold would be traded in a regulated financial market.

A bill passed by the House of Representatives last year would impose an economy-wide cap and trade program. That bill has been stuck in the Senate since last year.

Since then, other ideas have been discussed for controlling carbon emissions, including a carbon tax, "cap and dividend" and even "cap and trade with training wheels," where an independent board would set a narrow price range for carbon for eight years to give markets experience in trading permits before going to a full-blown cap and trade.

(Reporting by Thomas Ferraro; Writing by Richard Cowan, Editing by Cynthia Osterman)
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Post Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:49 pm

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Change the language fuck the populace. Pass go and collect your salary.
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Post Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:56 pm

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@Hazelnut,

Damn!!! You've got it down, interested in politics? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:08 am

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I'm just about at the point where, they are going to do what ever they want to do, and then the American people are going to do what they need to do.

It's just a shame that we wait until we are in our deathbed to decide we want to live!!!

My thoughts lately have been:

My question is this… If you know you are absolutely - for sure - going to die as a result of an assault, do you lie down and die? Or do you fight for your life, simply because you have nothing to loose and everything to gain?

It seems that the American people have lost their will to live, and they've been brainwashed into believing they have no other alternatives.

The American people have given up their natural rights, liberties and freedoms, for the hope of a little security.

How is that working for them?

I don't feel real secure these days, do you???
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Post Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:51 am

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You forget that though in many instances of national revolt, even though the bulk of the population was some kind of pissed off, in each instance, it took an event.

One little event to kick the whole thing off. Each time, the event itself was rather insignificant, and at the moment it occurred, not one person thought, "That Was IT!"

Go back through history. Look at the various revolutions, their Genesis, and their rapid incendiary growth.

We here in the US are armed to the teeth (at least those who have a clue) and we are just as aware as anyone else of the pressure building among the population. The pressure is very high, near capacity, and it won't take but one event to get a bit out of hand, and this whole thing is going to explode.

Lots of tinder. Lots of lightening.

And if you think the Romanian treatment of the Romanian President and his wife was awful . . . just wait and see what happens here in the US to our politicians when the lid blows off. It will be open season.

Some of these 'good 'ol boys' will set out to set things right. And their patience is scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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Post Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:12 am

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Sancho wrote:@Hazelnut,

Damn!!! You've got it down, interested in politics? :lol: :lol: :lol:


Ever heard the phrase "honest politician"?

Me neither.

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Post Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:54 am

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@ Dooper

You forget that though in many instances of national revolt, even though the bulk of the population was some kind of pissed off, in each instance, it took an event.


I hope that's not the rescue plan. Not ever going to happen. Not in the states anyway.
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Post Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:53 am

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Wylee,
I'm guessing you don't hang out with the folks Dooper and I do but what he telling you is spot on. Some of those really pissed off and knowledgeable on how to do things aren't going to make themselves targets till it time. They are your neighbors, friends, and mostly people you'd NEVER suspect. It's the quiet ones that have been there done that and have a whole pile of T-shirts to prove it. They've never been to a meeting but they have kept in touch with their comrades and former partners. We have in this country about 5000+ former special forces in our population and believe me very very few are the type portrayed in Hollyweird. They love this country and are not happy. And they have NEVER forgotten how to play the game! Many of them have taught others they trust. It's NOT going to be pretty for sure should things get any crazier than they are already.

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Post Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:21 am

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Americans don't act or they already would have. Look at our economy, over 25 percent REAL unemployment - and these folks WANT jobs. Education budgets being cut to support more war debt, our infrastructure crumbling and new roads being built in Afghanistan. None of this brought about any action, not a peep. When is the breaking point? Cap n trade, nope. Forced health care, nope. There isn't one. Someone even flew a plane into an IRS building to give the people a time and a chance to speak. Nothing. No one is going to stand up, there will always be someone saying "if it gets any worse" and the fact is the government knows this better than we do.
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Post Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:21 am

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Just to give you an overview of how many feel about this. Take the time to read this post by Mike Vanderboegh! It's from 2007 but it explains something many refuse to grasp:
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http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2007/05/guest-editorial-resistance-is-futile.html

"Resistance is Futile": Waco Rules vs. Romanian Rules

by Mike Vanderboegh

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them." --Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787

"We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile." -- Star Trek: First Contact

"Resistance is Futile"

You know, the most dangerous thing about liberals in today's America is that they are always taking policy decisions based upon three fallacies:

a. Woeful ignorance of the subject at hand,

b. Extrapolation of their own cowardice onto their opponents, i.e. expecting their opponents to react the way they do, and

c. Willful refusal to grasp that the Law of Unintended Consequences applies both to their world view and to the schemes that they use to enforce that world view upon the rest of us.

They are, in a phrase, without a clue. This is not so dangerous when they are out of power. However, as they now control both houses of Congress and have a better than even chance of controlling the White House in 2009, this has the potential to get a lot of people killed by 2010. An illustrative case in point is David Prather's recent column in the Huntsville (AL) Times, entitled "In a Shoot-out, the Feds Always Win.". Mr. Prather, it seems, has second-guessed the Founders of our tattered Republic and come up with his own idea of the futility of the armed citizenry to secure their own liberty. He writes with scorn of the belief that the Second Amendment means exactly and precisely what it says:

"This argument says that keeping firearms is necessary to ensure that the public can resist government oppression should such arise. In other words, unless you can shoot back at the feds, you can't be free. That's a nice, John Wayne-type view of the world. But it's wrong. It's not just debatably wrong. It's factually wrong. And the reason it is wrong is this: The government has and will always have more firepower than you, you and your neighbors, you and your like-minded friends or you and anybody you can conscript to your way of thinking. You simply can't arm yourself adequately against a government that is rotten and needs to be overturned. Your best defense is the ballot box, not a pillbox.. . . . You can't beat 'em. You'd be foolish to try. So let's take that argument off the table. I don't presume to say that by doing so we will be able to reach a consensus or a compromise or whatever about how we should or shouldn't control firearms in modern society. I'm just saying that shooting it out with the government is like the exhibition team versus the Harlem Globetrotters as far as who is going to win. Only a lot more bloody." -- David Prather, "In a shoot-out, the feds always win", Huntsville Times, May 2, 2007:
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Read the rest at the link for the rebuttal to this moron Prather!

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Post Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:02 am

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Zindo I think you misread me. For one, I believe people should have the right to arm themselves. For two, I believe that if the people would stand up, they'd be a force to be reckoned with and there would be change, but they never will. That's all I was pointing out. It's always "f it gets any worse" while it keeps getting worse. If they sit back while their freedoms are stolen and their jobs are all gone and they're living off food stamps, what good have the guns done them?
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