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Underground Reporting from China, Part I

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Post Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:54 am

Underground Reporting from China, Part I

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Greetings Truth Warriors, This is the first article I've written since visiting China with a reporter's eye. There will be a Series of posts on China, and this first one gives a broad overview of what we are going to be looking at, as well as some very interesting facts you'll never hear about on Bloomberg!
http://www.debtorsprisonblog.org/journal/2010/2/20/underground-reporting-from-china-part-i.html

Underground Reporting from China, Part I
Saturday, February 20, 2010 at 06:43PM

Greetings Fellow Inmates,

On this February 20th, the official holiday of guatemalan cultural hero Tecún Umán, we are also celebrating our First Anniversary! As we promised, this, our 90th post, is the first in a Series of articles inspired by our correnpondents’ travels through the land of the Rising Sun, China. It goes without saying that it is nearly impossible to get a clear, accurate, descriptive, thorough, or even true vision of what China is really like from the mainstream media (MSM). For that, we thought we would visit The East once again, this time with a camera crew, a digital notebook and a persistent and thorough approach to explore China. We explored a wide range of Chinese life, visiting several cities (financial, industrial and cultural) and got intimate first-hand looks at Chinese life from very adept local Inmates. We did this, clearly, mostly for ourselves, and because we are setting up another little branch of this outlaw band of destitute Inmate MonkeySlaves over there. Though our descriptions here will stick to economic matters, rest assured that our understanding of the true global nature of our penitentiary system has increased in leaps and bounds in a variety of ways. Feel free to Contact The Warden (CTW) through your medium of choice for more alternative info.

We were surprised to find that DP servers were blocked in China. Naturally, we tried everything: the cells themselves, internet cafes, mobile devices and even some analog devices. Surely, this must be a mistake and we invite any wayward travellers, multidimensional or not, to attempt the same exercise. Not only are we fairly certain that our lonely desperate cry in the night is of no importance to such an important part of the machine as the People’s Republic of China. Moreover, we have never said anything even remotely negative about that country’s government. Now, perhaps, we might.

Some of you still entertain the idea that China is a very useful FOIL to the US and an INDEPENDENT actor working as hard as it can to assert its God-given power on the world stage. We assure you that we believe you are completely mistaken. All the facts and the implications of certain actions certainly lead to the rational deduction that the Chinese government is colluding to the fullest extent in this global penitentiary. One must only look at the oft-mentioned Group of 30 to see that the Governor of the People’s Bank of China, Zhou Xiaochuan, is a member, and hence close intimate pals with some of the biggest Enforcers . Not to mention that amongst the Financial Enablers, the Federal Reserve and the People’s Bank of China are amongst the most notorious contributors. But, we digress, we have asked you many times to do your homework regarding the Group of 30, and we won’t say it again. The point of the matter is that China’s fiscal and monetary policy, at the highest levels, is closely and intentionally synchronized with that of the would-be master hell-bent on further enslavement of all of Us. We will go into more detail on this in this Series of URC Posts.

The above is meant as a useful foundation when exploring China; after all, once you realize China’s true place and influence in the world, then, and only then do certain things begin to make sense. Over the next few posts we will explore in detail some of the most important mechanisms: Chinese banks, the middle class, the soft-peg to the USD (why o why?), domestic consumption, etc. For now, we will simply present to you a potpourri of interesting facts we picked up in our travels. Our own notes were quite copious, and in the interest of time and clarity, we will only synthesize them here, so feel free to CTW for further details on any of this.

1. Gold:

It is possible to buy gold at your retail banking shop. Moreover, there is NO LIMIT to how much you can purchase. This contrasts greatly with the US, where it is nearly impossible to get gold anymore, not even from the COMEX, let alone your local Judy & Trust Co. Branch. We verified this fact ourselves as your humble correspondent got dressed up in their most expensive suit and outfit and opened an account at Bank of China. We then asked to speak to the manager at the HQ of Bank of China in Shanghai. This was the dialogue that proceeded:

DP Correspondent: I was told I can buy gold from you, with no limit. Is this true?

BC Manager: Yes

DP Correspondent: So tomorrow I can come in and buy $100 billion of gold?

BC Manager: Hmmm. Well, how would you take it?

DP Correspondent: Id get trucks and guns

BC Manager: Ok, well, it would take us about two weeks to find that much.

This provides very useful insight into our very important question Where has all the Gold gone? Maybe it’s all in China!

2. Credit Cards:

Very few places accept credit cards. Even fewer of those accept MasterCard or Visa. We even got a Chinese bank card, which uses UnionPay, and even this was not accepted at major retailers, even McDonalds. In the US, we have charged amounts even less than $1 on plastic, yet, in China they would not even take it. The prevalence of cash certainly denotes a lack of trust in the digital MoneyMatrix.

3. US dollar:

Very, very few people or businesses, formal or informal would accept USD. This does corresponds to rumours heard in the west. Not much to comment on here beyond “right on Chinese!”, don’t get bamboozled, unlike your government.

4. Hospitality:

We found the Chinese people to be overwhelmingly accomodating, helpful and gracious. Perhaps we were lucky, but we did encounter and interact with hundreds of people, and this characterization was 99% true. Even the dreaded Chinese police where very helpful and spoke very good English. We were even able to finagle and talk our way out of a $700 fine due to a legal infraction on our part. A far cry from the belief that you get jailed for life for minor offenses.

Well, we will leave it at that for today. To celebrate our first anniversary, we will now launch a major update to this site over the next couple of weeks. This community will finally get the space it deserves. We have also updated our DP Dictionary, so that you may look up definitions of terms we commonly use here and are not necessarily in the public lexicon. It has been a good year, thanks to you.

May your capital be safe and your investments prosperous,

MAAA
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Post Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:10 am

Re: Underground Reporting from China, Part I

Crazy- all of it run by the heirs of the "communists" how ironic.
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Post Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:33 pm

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So what is the possibility that China is the actual largest share holder of the Fed, and even possibly Fort Knox itself? Is this the real reason behind them not calling for any real audits?

Also in reguards to the PRC army, did you see any overt signs of them in everyday life? I find it all quite concerning that they boast the worlds largest army, trained in martial arts as well as using the newest technology in weapons and yet have not fired a single shot.

Are they planning to over throw the worlds currencies to accomodate their takeover in trade and the purchase of Mineral, water and other rights worldwide, and how close to this are we now?

Also did you discuss spirituality or religion with any locals? Did you see any of the ancient Buddha statues which I believe belong not to China as their exclusive property, but to everyone in the world who has the heart of a Buddha.

And did you have the opportunity to meet with anyone in politics or a high station in society? If so, how did that go?
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Post Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:20 pm

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Maaa, that's interesting about the USD. I have a family member who went over in 2007 and USD was accepted everywhere as well as interact in most major places.
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Post Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:39 pm

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Ex you of all people in my estimation know how everything has changed since 07. He did not say it was not accepted anywhere, but found it very difficult to use the USD which I do not doubt at all given the current decline of the USD, being pushed by China.
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Post Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:29 pm

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Sorry if I wasn't clear Innerflame and Maa, I was commenting about how it had changed. I think it shows the direction the USD is headed, which is bad for the US if it's no longer the preferred currency for tourism the world over.
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Post Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:09 pm

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If states like China who has influence over many other countries dumps the USD, what will that mean to us?
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Post Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:30 pm

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It means Walmart is screwed. Actually it means the US would have to give hard goods or resources to other nations to get the cheap Chinese crap in return. So basicly if you wanted a pair of crappy socks then we would have to send over x amount of cotton to get a single pair of socks back or we may have to give oil or lead or gold to get the cheap plastic toys.
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Post Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:15 am

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I thought that was what was already happening/ I mean I have heard that we send high end materials, they keep the good stuff for themselves and send us back the crap, leftovers and seconds... I have heard this happens with Lumber and steel, stuff like that.

I have sworn I would never buy chinese made crap so many times only to find myself looking for a bargain or better yet trying to find something not made there. The clothes they send are a JOKE, they are clueless about how we are built. And they have zero durability so that we will go back again and again to buy more, everything is throw away that they send, from tools and appliances to clothing, you name it.

An appliance used to last several life times, things like waffle makers, coffee makers, blenders and the like, now they dont last through one holiday season!

It has been a scam all along....
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Post Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:37 am

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There was a auto scrap yard in alberta back in the 90's that had thousands (heck 10's of thousands) of dead auto's in it. All of those cars got bought by a chinese company that shipped them to China for scrap and recycling.

Power plants, oil batteries and gas processing facilities used to get flanges and pipe from foundaries in Canada and the US. Pipe comes marked with the grade it is right on the outside. All you need to do before using it is check the sheet to make sure the chemical composition is what it should be. The problem is most of the pipe comes from China now. It fails so often, the reason? It's because they fake the composition sheets. You can't just check the sheet anymore if it says made in China then you have to get the chemical composition double checked or you could have a failure that kills people. It's gotten so bad that the chinese manufacturers are now illegally marking pipe with the names of manufacturers in other countries so you don't realize where it comes from. Most of the big oil and gas companies will only accept non-chinese pipe and even then they want the pipe chemically tested to make sure it isn't 10% unknown scrap.

I can assure you a chrome bumper makes pipe less strong. The structural industry isn't testing the way pressure industries are... yet... wait till the first school collapses or a bridge. We ship our iron ore there and they ship back poor quality shit.
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Post Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:40 am

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Innerflame wrote:I thought that was what was already happening/ I mean I have heard that we send high end materials, they keep the good stuff for themselves and send us back the crap, leftovers and seconds... I have heard this happens with Lumber and steel, stuff like that.



Yes it already is happening but it will be worse. Right now we send them good materials which they pay for in USD, then they sell us garbage which we pay for in USD. They get the good materials and send crap back.
After it goes to hell you will see then taking the good materials and paying us directly in crap.
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Post Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:54 pm

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Thanks for the great questions! Definitely, it is amazing to think how much the entire financial world itself has changed since 2007, the debasement of the USD being only one such phenomenon. What I find interesting is that the majority of Chinese are already privy to the fact that the USD is toxic. Meanwhile, the US sheeple continue in complete oblivion and still blindly subjugate themselves to the pole of their "mighty greenback". This goes against the presumption, and false, belief in the west that people in China are less educated than they. Well, they at least know the ways of the world better, and the bubble in which they live does not seem as centered (and narrow) on themselves.

As to the possibility of China being the largest shareholder of the Fed, to be honest I have no idea. There is a bunch of circuituous ways this can be achieved, for example by buying shares (which the Chinese HAVE done) in the US banks that have shares in the Fed. Tracking this down would take a lot of precious time. And to be frank the conclusion would be the same thing: They are dancing to the SAME TUNE.

I saw absolutely NO presence of the Chinese army and I travelled relatively broadly.

I did discuss religion and spirituality AT ALL times with locals, "locals", and non-locals. They were very deep, as they should be. They understood very simple maxims and some were able to wrap their heads around the most difficult spiritual conundrums (such as the duality) in quite a natural way.

I did speak with people in high-stations of society, no politicians though. I spoke to high-end bankers, high-end lawyers and a high-end Chinese princess. All of these people were extremely rich. The lawyer was the only non chinese, but was married to a Taiwanese woman. All encounters were extremely cordial, friendly and helpful. I got really close to the chinese princess, we connected on many levels. She was one of the most generous people I had ever met and treated me like royalty. Towards the end, things kind of desintegrated, she seemed to "lose it" a little bit.

If china dumps the dollar, bye bye US sovereignty. To be honest, I doubt that you will ever see a Chinese tank rolling down flatbush avenue. Instead, this will be "resolved" behind close doors by the monetary powers that be. Money flows will be frozen until a NEW currency is developed. The US will have to cede many parts of its sovereignty to some international body. Maybe even give up some of its patents. I mean sure, physical commodities are great, but not that many people discuss this possibility. The Chinese can very easily get raw materials for cheaper in Africa, South America, Australia and the whole of Asia. What they WET their pants for is intellectual property.

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